Free Innocent FLDS Children Now!

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

Have you ever seen guns displayed by members of the FLDS?

This is the closest I could come up with:

[santiagodraco]

Originally Posted by xhenli

I think you are missing something(s), Fiannan.

Alma 30:7-11 (and so forth) goes like this:

"Now there was no law against a man's belief; for it was strictly contrary to the commands of God there should be a law which should bring men on unequal grounds . . . . Now if a man desire to serve God, it was his privilage . . . but if he did not believe in him there was no law to punish him. But if he murdered he was punished unto death . . . and if he committed adultery he was also punished; yea, for all this wickedness they were punished. For there was a law that men should be judged according to their crimes. Nevertheless, there was no law against a man's belief . . ."

I recall a controversary near where I live where some high school children were upset because they were not allowed to wear gang colors while LDS people were allowed to wear CTR rings. I felt everyone in that scenario missed something as well. It is not that a person cannot wear symbolism. It is that gangs commit crimes, and LDS and cheerleaders and French club and international organizations, etc, -- don't. Commit crimes that is.

The funny thing is that those kids DO know the difference. I think that in 99% of the cases where something like this occurs, and people attempt to misdirect (ie pointing out that non criminal "special" dress is ok) they know they are wrong. But if they cared that they were wrong they wouldn't perform the acts in the first place. So it's up to us, society, to protect those who cannot protect themselves. It's an obligation.

[Fiannan]

If you had justice the state of Texas would be up on charges of abusing children:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISFPJL66p4c

Sick, absolutely sick.

Just thought I'd repeat this post and re-supply the link. Why is it that the state (Texas here) seems alll to eager to put kids on drugs that would scare the average participant in Oregon's "HempFest"? Why do 4 year olds need to be on mind-numbing drugs?

Yeah, the fascist state of Texas goes after the FLDS when they have a track record like this? And then does anyone have any information on how many kids are molested by foster parents in Texas every year?

[rosie321]

This matter is very upsetting to me. This group, regardless of whether a crime has been commited or not is being railroaded and their rights are being disregarded. This frightens me. When will they come for any one elses children.

Who really cares for the childrens welfare in this situation? I have no reason at all to believe the State of Texas has the best interest of the children at hand or else they would not have handled things in the way that they have. Either that or they are incompotent.

First is the whole trumped up reason they took the children in the 1st place. Supposedly there was an informant living there who could not get the evidence that a crime was occuring. Instead they base their raid on what appears to be a hoax call.

Secondly the state was not prepared to take proper care of these children from the start-something that they clearly admit to and is evidenced by where the children are living. We're expected that going into this that they had no idea what to expect.

The children should not have been removed without consideration to what they were going to do with them. The social workers could have monitored what is going on in the village with home visits as is often done. This may have helped to build understanding and cooperation. But to forcibly remove 416 children from their natural surroundings and force them to adjust? I honestly doubt there will by any cooperation occuring.

There were only a small portion of youth to whom crimes are alledged to have occured against. Why were all removed?

Pulling these children from the home under such pretenses will only backfire because of the way in which this whole thing was done. With 350 lawyers working on this case (some probono) the likelihood is that all the children, or at least a portion will wind back up in the custody of their parents on the compound. What will happen then? These children will be more protected and sheltered as a result and will probably develop a hatred for those who "tried to help." If crimes are going on it will be much more difficult to catch and victims will be less likely to come forward once they are forced back into the abusive situation.

If we are going to go after this group of people for these reasons then I think that there are a lot of other groups that need to stand in line.

[User-Removed]

Here is an interesting article out of the DesNews on the history of the Jeffs Cult...

Deseret News | Modern polygamy started in 1929

[User-Removed]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

If you had justice the state of Texas would be up on charges of abusing children:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISFPJL66p4c

Sick, absolutely sick.

Just thought I'd repeat this post and re-supply the link. Why is it that the state (Texas here) seems alll to eager to put kids on drugs that would scare the average participant in Oregon's "HempFest"? Why do 4 year olds need to be on mind-numbing drugs?

Yeah, the fascist state of Texas goes after the FLDS when they have a track record like this? And then does anyone have any information on how many kids are molested by foster parents in Texas every year?

What on earth does this video have to do with the topic at hand????

Way too bizarre for my tastes...

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by MyDogSkip

What on earth does this video have to do with the topic at hand????

Way too bizarre for my tastes...

Oh nothing, except that if a fascist state is going to steal over 400 children from their mothers and then threaten to put them in foster care they should be careful to have a safe system themselves. If this news report is true then the state of Texas is doping kids as young as toddlers with mind altering drugs in the foster care system.

Oh, and one wonders what the rate of psysical and sexual abuse is in the Texas foster care system. Does anyone have any statistics ro reports on this?

[User-Removed]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

Oh nothing, except that if a fascist state is going to steal over 400 children from their mothers and then threaten to put them in foster care they should be careful to have a safe system themselves. If this news report is true then the state of Texas is doping kids as young as toddlers with mind altering drugs in the foster care system.

Oh, and one wonders what the rate of psysical and sexual abuse is in the Texas foster care system. Does anyone have any statistics ro reports on this?

What is this rampant desire to defend the Jeff's Cult and malign the State of Texas?

Any right minded Latter Day Saint ought to be thankful that the State of Texas did something that clearly the States of Utah and Arizona never had the cojones to do.

[prisonchaplain]

Originally Posted by rosie321

This matter is very upsetting to me. This group, regardless of whether a crime has been commited or not is being railroaded and their rights are being disregarded. This frightens me. When will they come for any one elses children.

You're just wrong. Whether or not a crime has been committed is absolutely the issue here. If it is true that this ranch was set up under the guise of a church, to systematically provide 13-14 year old "brides" to 50 year old pedaphiles, then CPS were heroes to intervene.

There were only a small portion of youth to whom crimes are alledged to have occured against. Why were all removed?

Because they were being groomed for pedaphilic "marriages" with 50 year old men...illegal, polygamous marriages, perhaps???

[rosie321]

Originally Posted by rosie321
This matter is very upsetting to me. This group, regardless of whether a crime has been commited or not is being railroaded and their rights are being disregarded. This frightens me. When will they come for any one elses children.

You're just wrong. Whether or not a crime has been committed is absolutely the issue here. If it is true that this ranch was set up under the guise of a church, to systematically provide 13-14 year old "brides" to 50 year old pedaphiles, then CPS were heroes to intervene.

So as long as someone feels a crime is being committed its ok to take away someone elses rights? I can't disagree more with that sentiment more.

Lets apply your thinking towards gay rights. Many legislations have been created with the intent to protect this population and give them the right to live life free from persecution. However, some of these laws can and have been used at times to go after people who merely disagree with the lifestyle and who feel that it goes against God's will.

Some gay rights activists have argued that it is child abuse to promote anti-gay ideas for young children. In fact California schools have already adopted many such ideas into their programs. Anything that discourages or looks down on the lifestyle is wrong

How would you feel if someone came and took your children because you could not agree with this lifestyle?

Polygamy has existed throughout history. As it has been pointed out it is only recently in this country history that it has become popular for children to be older when they marry and have children. History is full of examples of young people marrying and having children. Arranged marriages are still a part of other cultures. Should this group be penalized because they cling to traditions and past cultural norms? Some might say the same for christians who disprove of the gay lifestyle. Should everyone who disagrees with the gay movement and does not feel that it is right in the sight of the Lord have their children rounded up?