Free Innocent FLDS Children Now!

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Originally Posted by Strawberry Fields

I just came across this site with pictures of the raid etc. I thought it might be interesting for you.

Captive FLDS Children

WOW...Posting propaganda from the Jeffs Cult...I'm like soooooooooooo impressed.

[john doe]

Dial it back a notch, Skip.

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

The more I read about this the sadder I become. I was initially drawn to this article because of the suggestion that LDS representatives could supervise the FLDS prayer meetings.

But then as I read on through the story I read that they have had their phones confiscated and are no longer able to contact their attorneys. The authorities are trying to separate breastfeeding mothers from their babies.



They are going to be separated even if no abuse has taken place? It sounds like child abuse is taking place right now and it's the state of Texas which is guilty of it. I never had much time for the FLDS before all this due to their stance on polygamy but my heart is softened towards them now.

Here in this country (and I don't doubt the same occurs in the US) there are children who are neglected, malnourished, beaten and tortured who are left with their parents, sometimes with the eventual tragedy of their deaths. Here we seem to have happy children, clean well fed and cared for whose only 'crime' is that their fathers may have more than one wife. It hasn't even been proved that their mothers are under the legal age and yet these innocent children are the ones who are suffering.

Ironic -- neither of these two leaders have ever been so bold as to steal away over 400 children from an unpopular minority group. I guess it's okay when it's done in Texas.

[Moksha]

I felt this picture rather compelling. Who among you would wish to force marriage to some old goat upon these young women?

[Kamperfoelie]

first off, brainwashing fourteen year olds to believe its good or even mandatory to have relations is wrong. period. The same goes for doing it to anyone of any age, come to think of it.

Brainwashing children to think they are ugly and unworthy is wrong.
Teaching them they need to have liposuction, nose jobs and implants is also wrong.
Letting gang culture flourish to the point where schools all over the country need metaldetectors is wrong.
As such i dont really see where mainstream society (in persona of CPS) gets its moral highground from?

The abuse of children should stop, and be stopped, true. Everywhere! Why focus on this 400 strong group, though?
We live in a world where drugaddicts bear children for the point of smuggling drugs inside them.
In europe alone there are an estimated twohundred and fifty THOUSAND (250.000 ! ) "white slaves" that is people (girls and boys) picked off the streets of the former soviet nations, held captive, transported across borders and forced to work against their will in what PC calls the 'adult entertainment industry'.
These girls are not all of legal age, for sure. And dont tell me that sort of thing doesnt happen in America. Just look at your local chinese massage parlor.
In this context we have girls of 14 forced to be with men (plural) that they do not even know, also of ages 50 and above, with no perceived perspective of eternal salvation (be that notion misguided or otherwise).

Now it is the same mainstream society, that condones the above practice (and ultimately pays to keep it operational), that would prosecute the YFZ people at tremendous expense. Why is nothing discernable being done about these other countless open and unconcealed crimes?

That said, i would like to distance myself from both what happened/happens in the YFZ. And from the texas law's reaction for that matter. Just look at this thread, though: we're on our 9th page!! Is there nothing else going on in the world that deserves our indignation? Last I heard there was something unspeakable going on in Darfur, for instance.

[rosie321]

Originally Posted by MyDogSkip

WOW...Posting propaganda from the Jeffs Cult...I'm like soooooooooooo impressed.

Why shouldn't they have the right to state the truth as they see it (or propaganda as you will)? Shouldn't both sides be heard?

The state and media have been presenting their own "propoganda" unchecked for a few weeks now due to denying basic freedoms granted to citizens. Please don't even get into "propoganda". These people have been on public trial for weeks now with little recourse.


Thanks strawberry for your post.

[Willow agree with your quote. It's quite a position LDS leaders have been put into. No matter whether they help or not it will seem to be the wrong choice. The church is really getting caught up in this state run mess. The state should have thought things out before they took this action and asked for help before they went in and let things get so out of control. It seems that they are looking for some escape now from the problems they have created.

Please pray for our church leaders that they will have the wisdom to know what to do and will have the abilities granted them to lead our people through this time. That the FLDS will be granted justice and that any injustices done to them may in the long run be counted for their good.
QUOTE] The more I read about this the sadder I become. I was initially drawn to this article because of the suggestion that LDS representatives could supervise the FLDS prayer meetings.

But then as I read on through the story I read that they have had their phones confiscated and are no longer able to contact their attorneys. The authorities are trying to separate breastfeeding mothers from their babies.



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The women face a deadline of when the DNA samples are collected and the children are placed in foster care. They will likely be separated.
They are going to be separated even if no abuse has taken place? It sounds like child abuse is taking place right now and it's the state of Texas which is guilty of it. I never had much time for the FLDS before all this due to their stance on polygamy but my heart is softened towards them now.

Here in this country (and I don't doubt the same occurs in the US) there are children who are neglected, malnourished, beaten and tortured who are left with their parents, sometimes with the eventual tragedy of their deaths. Here we seem to have happy children, clean well fed and cared for whose only 'crime' is that their fathers may have more than one wife. It hasn't even been proved that their mothers are under the legal age and yet these innocent children are the ones who are suffering.

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Originally Posted by john doe

Dial it back a notch, Skip.

I stand by my post...If you don't like it...take it up with Heather.

[john doe]

Originally Posted by MyDogSkip

I stand by my post...If you don't like it...take it up with Heather.

I don't necessarily disagree with your position on the issue, Skip. But to ridicule or mock others here is a sure way to get the mod staff sick of your antics. Again, dial it back a notch.

[Fiannan]

Originally Posted by MyDogSkip

I stand by my post...If you don't like it...take it up with Heather.

Could we please keep this on an intellectual and nice level please.

If people want to rip on the FDLS and some of their quirky practices then fine, or if they want to rip on the abuse of state power and disregard for the constitution then that's okay too.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by Moksha

I felt this picture rather compelling. Who among you would wish to force marriage to some old goat upon these young women?

Do we know that any of those in the picture have been forced into marriage to any goat whether young or old?

Do we take this same attitude against others whose culture involves arranged marriages rather than what they see as a haphazzard western approach with chance meetings with people our families don't even know?