Mormon Temple Marriages have only 6% Divorce Rate

[georgia2]

whether he has been sealed to two women, if he got a divorce from the first here, it will NEVER be valid in the eternities. If you can't make it here, this goes for people who are still married but not happily, you will not be together in heaven!

[Elphaba]

Originally Posted by funkymonkey

Um, I understood they changed that policy about 10 years ago so that it doesn't matter if you're a guy or a girl...you get divorced and you want to remarry someone else, you need to cancel the sealing with the first wife.
Am I wrong??

This is purely anecdotal, but around 1984 a good friend of mine divorced. She was very unhappy about it, but ultimately there was nothing she could do.

She could not even get a temple divorce on her own. Her husband had to approve the temple divorce, but he had the option of saying no. Does anyone know if this was correct procedure, and if so, has it changed?

Likewise, when her husband wanted to remarry, Church authorities wanted her permission for her temple marriage to be dissolved. She gave it.

Again, this was almost 25 years ago or so.

Elphaba

[checkerboy]

Originally Posted by Elphaba

This is purely anecdotal, but around 1984 a good friend of mine divorced. She was very unhappy about it, but ultimately there was nothing she could do.

She could not even get a temple divorce on her own. Her husband had to approve the temple divorce, but he had the option of saying no. Does anyone know if this was correct procedure, and if so, has it changed?

Likewise, when her husband wanted to remarry, Church authorities wanted her permission for her temple marriage to be dissolved. She gave it.

Again, this was almost 25 years ago or so.

Elphaba

Last I heard is that the only way that a woman can get a temple divorce is if she is getting sealed to another man in the temple or if their sealing was done under false pretenses (like the guy lied to get his temple recommend.)
My ex was told this by our bishop and she was livid. Hahahaha. I had a good laugh.

[Elphaba]

Originally Posted by georgia2

whether he has been sealed to two women, if he got a divorce from the first here, it will NEVER be valid in the eternities.

Do you mean if he received a civil divorce, or a temple divorce?

If he only received a civil divorce, then his marriage/sealing is still intact.

If you can't make it here, this goes for people who are still married but not happily, you will not be together in heaven!

How could you possibly know that? Anything is possible, and perhaps after both are deceased they may realize they were wrong to be unhappily married, and would be grateful for a proxy marriage.

I am an ex-Mormon, and so don't actually believe this happens. But I remember the procedures I was taught. I'm just going by those, as well as my opinion about "unhappy marriages."

Elphaba

[Elphaba]

Originally Posted by checkerboy

Last I heard is that the only way that a woman can get a temple divorce is if she is getting sealed to another man in the temple or if their sealing was done under false pretenses (like the guy lied to get his temple recommend.)

That was my friend's experience as well. So am I wrong that the husband has to receive permission from the wife for the dissolution of the sealing/marriage?

My ex was told this by our bishop and she was livid. Hahahaha. I had a good laugh.

If it were anyone but you Checker, I'd be lecturing you until the board was flooded.

But when you wrote it, I laughed. A lot.

Elphie

[funkymonkey]

Originally Posted by fent

Why isn't there a cancellation ceremony? Shouldn't what is done in a temple be undone in a temple? Or am I just unaware of something?

Interesting question. Probably the same reason that marriages conducted in other churches or chapels don't have "cancellation ceremonies"...a civil divorce is probably enough paperwok for God to see that the couple is very clear about wanting out of the marriage...?

scriptures...

Matt. 16: 19
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

D&C 128: 8, 10
8 Now, the nature of this ordinance consists in the power of the priesthood, by the revelation of Jesus Christ, wherein it is granted that whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Or, in other words, taking a different view of the translation, whatsoever you record on earth shall be recorded in heaven, and whatsoever you do not record on earth shall not be recorded in heaven; for out of the books shall your dead be judged, according to their own works, whether they themselves have attended to the ordinances in their own propria persona, or by the means of their own agents, according to the ordinance which God has prepared for their salvation from before the foundation of the world, according to the records which they have kept concerning their dead.

[Maureen]

I'm not sure if this information is allowed but I'll add it anyway. From the CHI:

Applying for a Cancellation of Sealing or a Sealing Clearance

When a woman has been sealed and divorced, she may apply for a cancellation of the previous sealing. The bishop and stake president submit an Application to the First Presidency form to seek this cancellation.

When a man has been divorced from a woman who was sealed to him and is worthy and prepared to have another woman sealed to him, he may apply for a sealing clearance. The bishop and stake president submit an Application to the First Presidency form to seek this clearance.

M.

[funkymonkey]

I just talked to a friend of mine who just had a "temple divorce" three years ago (which means this is still hearsay)...she said that when a clearance/cancellation is requested, both the guy and the girl are allowed to send a letter with "their side of the story" as to why they can't be together anymore.

I guess they're looking for not really "consent" from both people but rather just giving each of the people the opportunity to say "sure, good for them" or "NO, this guy's a jerk!" I guess the big reason for the change for the guys is to make sure that the guy (for example) is properly paying child support and other requirements with his former family...if he's not fulfilling his obligations, he's not temple worthy and the request is rejected.

If the person requests a temple divorce (say a girl requests it) then the guy gets notified and can "tell his side of why it didn't work out" in a letter. If he doesn't really care and doesn't want to respond at all (whether to consent or oppose the cancellation) then they send them a certified letter giving them a specific time to respond or they waive their right to voice their opinion.

All requests go to church headquarters.

[georgia2]

When I went through my divorce I was told I could get a cancellation to my sealing BUT, if I did so, the sealing would also be broken with my children. I was told, by Bishop and Stake Pres. that any man who is abusive to his wife WILL NOT be blessed with that family in the eternities and not to worry about that. I left my sealing in place until the time I wanted to be sealed to another worthy man. At that time, my first husband could have complained, but it wouldn't have mattered because he was found at fault for the divorce and if we were divorced civilly, it would NEVER be valid in heaven. If you cannot make it work on earth, the sealing is not valid. The sealing is only valid in the event you ARE WORTHY AND LIVE UP TO THE COVENANTS ! This is also true for people who stay married for the sake of the children or what ever bogus reason they may give. A sealing is not going to be in force if either of the people do not live up to the covenant. If each person lives up to the covenant there would be no reason for a divorce because both would be treating the other the way they should and both would be satisfied with the marriage. This is not my opinion. This is what I have been taught as doctrine.

[Maureen]

When I went through my divorce I was told I could get a cancellation to my sealing BUT, if I did so, the sealing would also be broken with my children.

Children who are born in the covenant or sealed to their parents remain so even if the sealing of the parents is later (1) canceled or (2) revoked by the excommunication or name removal of either parent. Children who are born after their parents' sealing is canceled or revoked are not born in the covenant. These children need to be sealed to their parents after their parents' blessings are restored (if applicable) and any other obstacles are removed.