Russian expert predicts decline and breakup of United States.

[Fiannan]

MOSCOW, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts. Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily Izvestia published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."
The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

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He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.
He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."

RIA Novosti - World - Russian analyst predicts decline and breakup of U.S.

While some may dismiss what he has to say LDS people may want to see what their church leaders have said about the future -- it sounds pretty much like what the Russian predicts, except the LDS version makes it sound more like a Mad Max world with the righteous of all faiths winding up as refugees -- heading to the Rocky Mountains as the LDS Church will be the only stability left in what used to be the USA.

[TeancumsSword]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

RIA Novosti - World - Russian analyst predicts decline and breakup of U.S.

While some may dismiss what he has to say LDS people may want to see what their church leaders have said about the future -- it sounds pretty much like what the Russian predicts, except the LDS version makes it sound more like a Mad Max world with the righteous of all faiths winding up as refugees -- heading to the Rocky Mountains as the LDS Church will be the only stability left in what used to be the USA.

People can head to the Rockies all they want I'll be going to the Central States where the Natives are...


"1 But if they will repent, and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, and they shall come in unto the covenant, and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance, and they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob;

2 And also, as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem;

3 And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, which are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.

4 And then shall the power of heaven come down among them; and I also will be in the midst, and then shall the work of the Father commence, at that day even when this gospel shall be preached among the remnant of this people.

5 Verily, I say unto you, At that day shall the work of the Father commence among all the dispersed of my people; yea, even the tribes which have been lost, which the Father hath led away out of Jerusalem.

6 Yea, the work shall commence among all the dispersed of my people, with the Father, to prepare the way whereby they may come unto me, that they may call on the Father in my name;

7 Yea, and then shall the work commence, with the Father, among all nations, in preparing the way whereby his people may be gathered home to the land of their inheritance.

8 And they shall go out from all nations; and they shall not go out in haste, nor go by flight; for I will go before them, saith the Father, and I will be their rearward. And then shall that which is written come to pass."
[3 Nephi 10]

"1 A arevelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they bunited their hearts and clifted their voices on high.
2 Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the arestoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his bprophets, and for the cgathering of his dsaints to stand upon eMount Zion, which shall be the city of fNew Jerusalem.
3 Which city shall be abuilt, beginning at the btemple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and cdedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.
4 Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city aNew Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple,..."
[D&C 84]

[Loudmouth_Mormon]

Russian expert predicts decline and breakup of United States.

Gee, it's been about 15 years since I heard that, but we heard little else during the cold war.

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

RIA Novosti - World - Russian analyst predicts decline and breakup of U.S.

While some may dismiss what he has to say LDS people may want to see what their church leaders have said about the future -- it sounds pretty much like what the Russian predicts, except the LDS version makes it sound more like a Mad Max world with the righteous of all faiths winding up as refugees -- heading to the Rocky Mountains as the LDS Church will be the only stability left in what used to be the USA.

In the end, there will only stand two nations, one will be saved by its people, the other by the Savior and His Army. Which two am I referring too? All other nations will fall.

However, the Russian editor had me rolling on the floor in laughter.

[john doe]

Originally Posted by TeancumsSword

People can head to the Rockies all they want I'll be going to the Central States where the Natives are...

I'm a Native American. I've lived here all my life. I'll go where my church leaders ask me to go and tell me my skills are needed the most.

[Fiannan]

Correct me if I am wrong but I have heard this in institute classes and in sunday school lessons -- di Joseph Smith predict that someday China and the USA might go to war with each other? Just curious since the Chinese may someday ask us to pay back all that money they have invested in our debt. If we are broke they might not appreciate that in the least.

The USA is in no way immune to the wrath of God -- in fact we as a Christian nation are more inclined to have to pay the debt (so to speak) to God since we have had more exposure to the truth.

The one thing that the Russian observes that Americans are taught to ignore is tribalism. When the USSR broke up you had ethnic groups immediately stake their claim to land and your liniage made all the difference in who you identified with. The same thing is evident in the Balkins, Iraq, all throughout Africa, etc.

In the US election you also saw voting patterns break down on ethnic lines to a dramatic degree. The Book of Mormon seems to indicate that this will hold true in the future as the "gentiles" forsake morality and need to be replaced by people with Lamanite heritage.

So maybe people should take our Russian quite seriously.

[john doe]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

Correct me if I am wrong but I have heard this in institute classes and in sunday school lessons -- di Joseph Smith predict that someday China and the USA might go to war with each other? Just curious since the Chinese may someday ask us to pay back all that money they have invested in our debt. If we are broke they might not appreciate that in the least.

I've never heard of a Joseph Smith China/USA prophecy.

I think it's kind of ironic that since China is now technically investing in the USA, it is in their best interests for our economy to do well so they can get their money back. I wonder what kind of pressure that kind of thing might place on disagreements between the two countries. The US has not had any other country dictate terms to us for the past 100+ years.

[MarginOfError]

Originally Posted by Fiannan

So maybe people should take our Russian quite seriously.

I haven't taken any Russians seriously since Kolmogorov and Smirnov.

[pam]

Joseph Smith predict that someday China and the USA might go to war with each other?

I've never heard this either. Do you have a source or reference for this? I'm just curious about it.

[Hemidakota]

No...there is nothing at this time that present that argument as it is already stated by the prophet the last two countries. [based on my 400 plus pages of research into "Armageddon; GOG & MAGOG". Though, not complete at this time but it contains every single written article that has been recorded.

My advice, steer clear of someone who holds no weight on the earth's future.

However, just found this old article:

Prophetically we have been told that the restored gospel must go to those of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people (Revelation 14:6-7). A revelation to Joseph Smith adds that the message of the Restoration must go to all nations in their own language (D&C 90:11). Alma's declaration suggests that not only must it go to all nations in their own language, but that it must also be declared by their own people. That is, the gospel must yet be taught in Russia by Russian elders, in China by Chinese elders, and so forth throughout the nations of the earth. Such a view is in harmony with Nephi's vision of the last days in which he saw congregations of the Saints "upon all the face of the earth" before the return of Christ (see 1 Nephi 14:12-14).