FLDS aren't welfare cheats after all.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by HiJolly

I've driven through Colorado City many, many times. We hear on the news often concerning fathers that have left the FLDS Church that can't get work, or can't buy property or rent a house in CC. Who's prejudicial? I have several polygamous neighbors here in Salt Lake County who are doing fine, no prejudice seems to bother them here. So, who is it in Southern Utah that is prejudicial? I'm curious whom you mean.


Like, Tom Green? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Green_(polygamist) r-i-g-h-t....

SLCounty also has a much higher non-Mormon population then Southern Utah, so it is easier to obtain work. Also many of the polygamist up there are AUB and you can't tell them apart from anyone else so they can hide their lifestyle easier then the FLDS for employment purposes.

Tom Green isn't FLDS. Nice strawman, illegitimate argument though, it shows me were you are coming from.

You must think I'm completely clueless to try and put up Tom Green in a conversation about the FLDS. I can list Tom Green's adopted sons and tell you who his wife who left him while he was in jail is married to now. Do you really want to get into this with me?

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

Those in Vegas do very well.

So do prostitution and gambling. What's your point?

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

You must think I'm completely clueless to try and put up Tom Green in a conversation about the FLDS. Honey, I can list Tom Green's adopted sons and tell you who his wife who left him while he was in jail is married to now. Do you really want to get into this with me?

Honey? Hahahaha!!! Thanks for the laugh!

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

So do prostitution and gambling. What's your point?



Honey? Hahahaha!!! Thanks for the laugh!

Thanks for contributing to the discussion... Very enlightening. Perhaps you could elaborate later on.

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

SLCounty also has a much higher non-Mormon population then Southern Utah, so it is easier to obtain work. Also many of the polygamist up there are AUB and you can't tell them apart from anyone else so they can hide their lifestyle easier then the FLDS for employment purposes.

My neighbor's don't have the distinctive hairdos, but they are distinctive since they always have long sleeves and long pants. I think you're avoiding my point as to who is being prejudiced. It goes both ways, KU.

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

Tom Green isn't FLDS. Nice strawman, illegitimate argument though, it shows me were you are coming from.

"Strawman"? Yikes!! Listen, this is all in context of Morningstar's post in this thread. She was very vague in her reference, certainly NOT limiting anything to FLDS or even fundamentalists, IMO. YOU also didn't specifiy FLDS, but mentioned "southern Utah". So I don't really care, nor is it relevant to my point, that Tom isn't FLDS. He's an example, and an appropriate one since our conversation wasn't limited at any point to FLDS. The conversation had to do with welfare, remember?

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

You must think I'm completely clueless to try and put up Tom Green in a conversation about the FLDS. I can list Tom Green's adopted sons and tell you who his wife who left him while he was in jail is married to now. Do you really want to get into this with me?

You assumption is, and was the problem. I have polygamist friends who also know Tom from back just after his mission, so I don't know what's got your shorts in such a bind... Lighten up and be happy!


HiJolly

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by HiJolly

My neighbor's don't have the distinctive hairdos, but they are distinctive since they always have long sleeves and long pants. I think you're avoiding my point as to who is being prejudiced. It goes both ways, KU.


"Strawman"? Yikes!! Listen, this is all in context of Morningstar's post in this thread. She was very vague in her reference, certainly NOT limiting anything to FLDS or even fundamentalists, IMO. YOU also didn't specifiy FLDS, but mentioned "southern Utah". So I don't really care, nor is it relevant to my point, that Tom isn't FLDS. He's an example, and an appropriate one since our conversation wasn't limited at any point to FLDS. The conversation had to do with welfare, remember?


You assumption is, and was the problem. I have polygamist friends who also know Tom from back just after his mission, so I don't know what's got your shorts in such a bind... Lighten up and be happy!


HiJolly

Arrrrrgggghhhh!!!! I must tie duct tape around my head before it explodes. Is it possible to have a conversation here without people misrepresenting my posts? You know darn well we are speaking of the FLDS.
I can't do this anymore, I'll resent ever single Mormon I know if I have to see such self-righteousness any longer.
One of my lingering doubts was that it says the unrepentant gentiles would become prideful above all nations and I thought "The Mormons are doing pretty good, maybe there is something to it." Not anymore. Coming into this and other groups has shown me just how much self-righteous pride has snuck in amoung the members of the LDS church.
Even if I was still LDS I would be embarrassed by the arrogance of my fellow members.

But I'm sure you will laugh and jeer at this post also, it's become par for the course.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

Thanks for contributing to the discussion... Very enlightening. Perhaps you could elaborate later on.

Anytime.

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I can't do this anymore, I'll resent ever single Mormon I know if I have to see such self-righteousness any longer.

Because Mormons are the only self-righteous people in the world.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Anytime.



Because Mormons are the only self-righteous people in the world.

Again, taking the line out of context and trying to make it say something it doesn't say.

Today truly has been a sad day for me.

[MorningStar]

Originally Posted by Just_A_Guy

That sounds an awful lot like a "yes" to me.

No, I don't believe in letting people starve, but I also don't believe that a person should enter a situation knowing they will need welfare and feel like they are entitled to it.

[MorningStar]

Thanks, HiJolly. I wasn't referencing FLDS, but people who practice polygamy in general. If they are suffering financially due to people not wanting to do business with them, that's the risk they take in choosing to live that way.

I don't know which group it was, but when my sister-in-law worked in an office building in SLC, there was a woman there trying to recruit more wives and I felt like they were targeting her because she is overweight and painfully shy (so I felt like this was a tactic of "Hey, that poor lady will never get married so maybe we can get her to settle for joining us). She was bringing her love notes from her husband. I don't know how they were doing financially (because at least one of the wives worked). Another friend from work took her to visit some people (had no idea where they were going) and strangely enough, they ended up at Tom Green's house, who looked extremely ticked off to see outsiders there.

Anyway, it shouldn't be any surprise when someone with 7 wives and 50 children can't seem to pay the bills, no matter how accepting others are of their decisions.

[KristofferUmfrey]

30 Perhaps thou shalt say, The man hath brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance, that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just.

31 But I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this, the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done, he perisheth for ever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God.

32 For behold, are we not all beggers? Do we not all depend upon the same being, even God, for all the substance which we have; for both food, and raiment, and for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?
[Mosiah 2]