FLDS aren't welfare cheats after all.

[MorningStar]

Awwww ..... not the guilt tripping with the scriptures bit.

[KristofferUmfrey]

I Nephi 5 : 2 And it came to pass that I said unto them, that I knew that I had spoken hard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.

[pam]

I think we need to step back for a moment. I can see both sides of this debate (if that's what you want to call it). Anyone with a lot of children might have difficulty with the financial means to support them. Whether they be from a polygamist family or an LDS family. Bottom line is...it's the kids that are the issue. Kids should not suffer for the decisions that the adults make. I would wager the majority of support received is for the children. That would hold true for any large family.

Do I agree with the size of families when there might not be the means to provide. No I don't. But I also don't believe in letting children suffer because of it.

[pam]

Originally Posted by MorningStar

Awwww ..... not the guilt tripping with the scriptures bit.

Awww now come on. If the shoe was on the other foot......

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by pam

Awww now come on. If the shoe was on the other foot......

If the shoe was on the other foot it would be hard to walk straight.

[MorningStar]

I don't think anyone has said to let the children suffer. Some of us just feel the polygamy practicing parents are shooting themselves in the foot with the decisions they're making.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by MorningStar

I don't think anyone has said to let the children suffer. Some of us just feel the polygamy practicing parents are shooting themselves in the foot with the decisions they're making.

Truth Will Prevail

Truth Will Prevail

Truth Will Prevail

Truth Will Prevail

Truth Will Prevail


***With the quality children they are raising I doubt they feel the same***

[pam]

Originally Posted by MorningStar

I don't think anyone has said to let the children suffer. Some of us just feel the polygamy practicing parents are shooting themselves in the foot with the decisions they're making.

Not true. I've read several posts where people have said..why should my tax money to go people who break the law? So...okay again...the children are the victims here. We want to deny children benefits because of decisions their parents are making? Would that not mean we deny other children of non polygamists families food because of the decisions their parents make too?

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not advocating polygamy. Far from it. I just think when we talk about denying people welfare benefits based on decisions they make...we need to look at both sides. Welfare benefits are given to drug addicts...at least these people (polygamists) are God fearing. Notice I didn't say law abiding because it is against the current laws. They are doing what they can to raise their children. Whether it be in a fashion we agree with or not...not really the issue.

[MorningStar]

I guess I missed the posts where people think the children should suffer. Fiannan's point was that the FLDS hadn't commited "welfare fraud", which I think most people agree with. Fraud hasn't been commited, but the issue people have with the FLDS is that they need welfare due to their lifestyle. The other issue was that Fiannan said they are following God's commandments, even using the phrase that they are "following LDS leaders" which they are not. The original issue isn't really being discussed here because I don't think anyone here believed it was "fraud". Fraud would involve giving false information in order to receive welfare. The question "Why should they receive welfare?" is a valid one, but not one that indicates that they want the kids to suffer. I feel just as much frustration over single moms who get pregnant over and over again. In high school, a guy I knew got 5 different girls pregnant in one year and was bragging about it. I believe in helping the poor, but I also believe in self-reliance and taking responsibility for one's actions. There are a lot of struggling families who are not on welfare, who make responsible choices, and I know there are legitimate needs for welfare, but a lot of people are enabled by the system instead of moving towards self-reliance. I mentioned that I don't want my tax money going towards polygamists. It's true. I don't. And I don't want their children to go without. What I want is some accountability for the decisions they make that effect everyone else.

[MorningStar]

I would like to add too, I thought it was wrong for all of those FLDS children to be rounded up. I dislike the practice of polygamy, but I don't support children being taken from their families. Also, I felt like this thread was a promotion for polygamy.