Psychics

[beefche]

My patriarchal blessing says I will have a husband and children. I am a never married, never had children with my biological clock ticking single woman.

Patriarchal blessings are not just blessings for this mortal life. It is a guide into the eternities.

Faith in God and in His restored Church means that we believe Him when He says He has revealed a better way and given us a line of authority. Unless that psychic is my bishop, stake president, or one of the prophets, I'm not going to rely on him/her.

Having said that, real psychics are interesting. I've watched some of those cop shows that use psychics. I can't explain it, but it is interesting.

[pam]

I have also seen the shows where someone was able to tell the police where someone was buried etc. They are extremely interesting.

That being said..I sure wouldn't trust one of those so called psychics that you have to call 1-900. I did that once and they didn't tell me anything that I couldn't somehow relate to my life anyway.

[Soul_Searcher]

Its interesting that so many people have actually called numbers had palms read etc. Just shows there is something about it we find intriguing.

Beefeche-I knew someone would come up with the 'eternities' explanation eventually. My patriarchal blessing says and QUOTE:

'Your main task in THIS LIFE is to be a Mother.....'

I dont know how I can put my trust in someone who tells me something will happen then it doesn't.

[pam]

Perhaps being a mother might mean adoption or another avenue.

[annamaureen]

Originally Posted by Generally_Me

Yes, it could have been his gift, but why take the chance that the person you go to really has 'good' information from the 'right' source? Like Tarnished said, there are a lot of spirits on this earth who harbor bad feelings for those who are living.

Well, it's not like I went to the guy to try to get information. He just happened to be a family friend who let us know about his ability. I don't know if I'd ever seek out a psychic for any "purpose."

[unixknight]

It seems clear that there is something to the idea that some people have psychic abilities. Maybe everybody does, to one extent or another.

Is it an ability given by God? Maybe. Can it be used by lower powers to lead us astray? Yeah, it could.

The real question is: How do you reconcile it with your Faith? And by "Faith" I don't mean your religion. I mean your ability to hold fast to it, whatever it may be. If the lure of extrasensory abilities causes you to trust less in God or to have less faith in things like your Patriarchal Blessing, then yes, there's a problem.

Often I hear of things psychics do and I think to myself "Hey, a person with the Priesthood can do that." The difference being, of course, that with the Priesthood the power comes from, and with the authority of, God.

And sometimes not. Generally God doesn't reveal the future to individuals, and any effort to get that info by other sources seems to be an effort to circumvent His will.

If a psychic can help the police locate a missing person then I think they ought to, and I don't see a moral problem with that. The only time I see a problem is when it comes into conflict with God's will.

[Tarnished]

Originally Posted by Soul_Searcher

Well God hasn't always helped me in answering prayers a lot of the time so I dont want to put my trust in him and then be disappointed when he doesn't listen or answer. It really knocked my faith before, and as my faith is fairly fragile at the minute I dont want to risk it getting knocked further


My patriarchal blessing says I will have childrem. So does my friend's. They can't have children or adopt for complicated reasons. So how can you really rely on it? And before you ask she is a strong faithful woman in the gospel. I dont want to put my hopes on that and get my faith dashed yet again if it doesnt happen for us.


I suppose Im so desperate to know ifthe ICSI will work and seeing someone in the flesh who will give u a straight answer is tempting.

My best friend also had ICSI this year. It failed even though they'd fasted, prayed and had blessings all pointing towards a positive result. Not only did it fail but none of their embryos were viable and they will have to pay £5 grand for the next treatment. If God can make things happen why did he not make it happen for them?? Or us??

It has been 9 years since I got married and we still don't have children, my husband was sterilized by chemo therapy during our second year of marriage. Our only option for children is IVF using semen we saved before he had his treatments, or adoption. However, both of our patriarchal blessings say that we will have children. So we will have to try those options and if neither works then I know that we will have children, whether it be in this life or the next.

It is difficult when things don't go the way we want them to, especially when we have prayed and fasted and really yearned for things to happen the way we think would be best. But we have to remember that God doesn't always bless us the way we think would be best. Sometimes he doesn't seem to answer our prayers, sometimes he answers them in a way that seems opposite from what we wanted. Does this mean that he is not listening? No, it just means that things aren't going the way we thought they would. It means that we are being given a chance to grow. Life is not all about getting exactly what we want, life is about learning and growing so that we can return to our heavenly family.

When it comes to having children and not being able to it can become difficult, the question "why?" comes up often. You see mothers who barely even deserve the name mother having many babies, you see people who have no problem having children have baby after baby. And seeing all this makes it difficult, it makes it hard, and it makes it easy to look for someone to blame, it makes it easy to blame God. This is not the way though, if you turn to God and put your trust in him he will make things right, it may not happen right away, it may not even happen in this life, but he will make it right. Satan wants us to blame God and turn away from him, he wants us to find other ways. He does not want us to have things made right through God, he wants things to go badly for us. But if we trust in God and believe that he will make things right for us then we will be happier for it in the end.

I know that going to a psychic and having them tell you that you will have children sounds like a great thing, a guarantee of sorts that things will go well for you. But remember by believing what a psychic tells you over what God tells you is placing your trust in the arm of man, and not just that but also placing your trust in the arm of whatever "spirits" they are communing with. I am not saying that there are not some people who have a "sixth sense" of sorts, rather I am saying that when it comes to fortelling the future be very careful.

I do understand where you are coming from, I am going through it as well. Please do not lose faith, things will turn out in the end, God will not forget you.

[beefche]

Well, Soul, I could quote my patriarchal blessing as well which says things will happen in this life and they haven't. I still maintain that the blessing is NOT just for this life. What is "this life" anyway? Does it only mean this mortal life? Does it mean this life from pre-mortal to post-mortal? Does it mean something entirely different?

Faith is believing in truth even when we can't see that truth. There are things in my patriarchal blessing that I have absolutely no idea how they will be accomplished--very specific things about my children and husband and family. I am going to rely on God rather than man, though, for the realization of those blessings. Not that I won't do what I can to attain those blessings, but I just don't believe going outside the authority of church and the established path for revelation is the right thing to do. Psychics may bring words of comfort and maybe even things will happen according to their words, but even the devils praise God and perform miracles in His name--doesn't mean He recognizes such. I will stick with the brethern of the church for my miracles.

[beefche]

Thanks, Tarnished, for your words. To partake a little in the pity party, it is often difficult for me to listen to married women when they express their dismay at their inability to have children. I've had friends tell me that I could never understand their worries since I'm not trying to have kids. I certainly don't want to add to their sorrows so I don't say anything, but I can relate on some level. I can't have kids--I have no viable way of having them. I hold as truth the doctrines taught by the church--all children deserve a mother and father and that pre-marital sex is wrong. Since I am single and remain chaste, I cannot have kids. It is heart breaking when my arms ache for children--my heart yearns to embrace a child and husband. But that has been denied me, for whatever reason.

So, for those women who yearn for children, your single friends DO know what you are experiencing, at least on some level-being denied a righteous desire.

Again, I say faith is a power we can rely on in these times. He will provide, but it is according to His will, not mine (as much as I think I'm right....).

[Soul_Searcher]

beefche I think people who say that are insensitive and arrogant. I feel for u . Ive had some stinky comments too-'When ru gonna have kids then?' 'DH isnt firing blanks is he? (Uh yes as a matter of fact)

I think ur reasons for why ur patriarchal blessing hasn't come to pass make me feel a bit sorry for u. I really dont mean this in a patronising way, but I think you are desperately clinging onto interpreting it any way possible, as you know there's a possibility it wont happen. If someone says, 'I'll be there at 7.30' and they dont turn up they dont say, well i never said PM or I didnt specify a date. Of course not! If you are told something fairly specific, that is what you expect. THIS LIFE means mortal life, we all as members use that phrase we all know what it means. It means NOW.

I know its difficult to confront the reality that ur patriarchal blessing might not be fulfilled. But that's the reality. I dont see seeing a psychic who may be wrong as any different.