Gay - Can't Stay

[USNationalist]

<<Well then do you think that the world to 'creat the laws' without a moral basis?>>

-not sure what you said, but maybe this will answer what you ment-

I do not believe in human morality, as it is all relitive. I belive only God has the ability to define morality. And I think anyone making a law enforceing their morals onto someone else (that would interfear with their right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness) is a hypocrite. Because they are essentialy saying "you are accountable to my personal beliefs, however i am not accountable to yours" I would not support any law that imposed morality onto another person. I would support laws that are ment to keep order, and promote saftey. I do not belive liberty allows you to kill someone else, thats an infringement of their liberty to life. Only in such cases as that, as murder could be considerd a moral issue, would i support a law which could be considerd one imposeing morality.

Originally posted by USNationalist@Mar 18 2004, 09:06 PM
<<Well then do you think that the world to 'creat the laws' without a moral basis?>>

-not sure what you said, but maybe this will answer what you ment-

I do not believe in human morality, as it is all relitive. I belive only God has the ability to define morality. And I think anyone making a law enforceing their morals onto someone else (that would interfear with their right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness) is a hypocrite. Because they are essentialy saying "you are accountable to my personal beliefs, however i am not accountable to yours" I would not support any law that imposed morality onto another person. I would support laws that are ment to keep order, and promote saftey. I do not belive liberty allows you to kill someone else, thats an infringement of their liberty to life. Only in such cases as that, as murder could be considerd a moral issue, would i support a law which could be considerd one imposeing morality.

Okay....that works for me. But who speaks up for God and what He wants said....?

[USNationalist]

Gods laws apply to his people. Christians are his people. You want less sin in the world- convert it. Im sure god would prefer more christians over no new additions to christianity, even if certain types of sin became unheard of.

Originally posted by USNationalist@Mar 19 2004, 03:28 AM
Gods laws apply to his people. Christians are his people. You want less sin in the world- convert it. Im sure god would prefer more christians over no new additions to christianity, even if certain types of sin became unheard of.

That would be wonderful....

But when the laws which rule our every day lives are corrupt, the likelihood of a Christian membership having a lot of success in converting the world is minimal at best.

I think it would be like Mosiah 11:2 where the wickedness of the leadership rubbed off on the people.

IOWs...most people are just too weak to fight the goliath.

One thing that would be necessary for a people to become like the city of Enoch, would be the total environment of a moral society....they say it takes a community to raise a child....this is true...

If you are totally Christian in your home, but you must send your child to public school...where they learn all sorts of corruptions while still very vulnerable....then who winns the battle for that child's soul?

When a child is taught that perversion is right by the schools and society at large...while he is very impressionable...how can a Christian family compete with that except to establish the fact that the world is corrupt and it needs changed from the top down?

[USNationalist]

Temptations in life are good for your faith. They test and refine it. Besides you cant outlaw all sin- kids in public school will still be faced with the things of this world. Let them get used to resisting temptation at a young age, besides those are the places where christians need to be going to find people to convert.

Originally posted by USNationalist@Mar 20 2004, 12:28 AM
Temptations in life are good for your faith. They test and refine it. Besides you cant outlaw all sin- kids in public school will still be faced with the things of this world. Let them get used to resisting temptation at a young age, besides those are the places where christians need to be going to find people to convert.

Of course you are right...I was just remembering my innocent sweet little 5 year old after his first week at kindergarten ....he learned some words....how to play who can ##### the farthest in the bathrooms....and a nasty little poem.

I worked hard to out do the school yard education......he did go through 3 years of seminary and went on a mission...and married in the temple...but he really never was my sweet innocent little boy ever again...and he came home and shared his new found 'garbage' with his two little sisters...

Our blessed home has never been the same...

You know...I have suffered most of my life with an inferiority complex because I was Mormon....crazy when you think I was raised in SLC.

But truthfully, we, as mormon kids, always had to defend ourselves on a level that left us feeling like pond scum.

It wasn't until I returned from my mission and became a mom, that I started seeing how the world makes us think we are subhuman because we believe in God.

How wonderful it would have been to be raised in just the opposite situation....where good was accepted as good and evil as evil...

Always having to fight against what was considered 'normal and acceptable' was very counterproductive for most of my life.

I finally have learned to see good as good and evil as evil without feeling guilty....

[sgallan]

I find it sorta a sad you find the World such a wicked place. But you do and what is.... is. What I don't like is when folk try to impose what I consider such a depressing worldview, and outlook, on others. For much of the same reasons you didn't want your children out in the "world", because it took away some of their innocense, so you sheltered them, I do not want to raise my child in a religion (especially the more conservative ones), because I think she may eventually lose that childlike joy with living. The one which runs in our family..... even my dad still skydives, races dirt bikes, scuba dives and so on, as well as being a whirling dervish of activity, at age 64.

[Faerie]

I was raised LDS and I have never ever felt that the church took away my "childlike joy with living."

[sgallan]

Cool!

Originally posted by sgallan@Mar 21 2004, 06:00 AM
I find it sorta a sad you find the World such a wicked place. But you do and what is.... is. What I don't like is when folk try to impose what I consider such a depressing worldview, and outlook, on others. For much of the same reasons you didn't want your children out in the "world", because it took away some of their innocense, so you sheltered them, I do not want to raise my child in a religion (especially the more conservative ones), because I think she may eventually lose that childlike joy with living. The one which runs in our family..... even my dad still skydives, races dirt bikes, scuba dives and so on, as well as being a whirling dervish of activity, at age 64.

I wasn't forcing anyone....I don't see me having you in a head lock! LOL...

And who said I was able to sheltered them...even at church they ran into the same decadence..

My kids are very much in the world...they are teens for heck sake....LOL

The religion didn't do anything for or against my children ....if anything...it caused them to champion the underdogs of the world. The sick, poor, needy...rejects.....because they were underdogs in our ward, but were befriended by in-actives.

So I don't know what I stated above that gave you any of these ideas...