The World Will End In 2012

[Maya]

This nonsense falls into the same category as "the world will end in 2000 or 3000" using the Gregorian calender. The year 2012 is written 13.0.0.0.0 using Mayan numbers that have a base of 20 rather than base 10 used by the Gregorian calendar numbering system.

Just as there was a furor of predictions of the end of the world in the centennial year 2000, so there are similar predictions about the Mayan turnover of all zeros except the "milenium" count. I use millenium very loosely because the time beyween 12.0.0.0.0 and 13.0.0.0.0 is much longer than the millenial turnover of 1000 years. The greater time period between turnovers is significantly longer than several generations and this may contribute to greater frenzy over this date than is normally found for millenium turnovers on the Gregorian calender.

Larry P[/b]

OO NOO! Puolsenll has spoken... and I tought it would finally be end... sigh
So it seems we sitl have a LONG time to go... How about if the Mayan calender shows the day when the judgement day comes?? So maybe a 100 years or two sitl to wait??...

[MorningStar]

I remember learning in class that the world isn't really going to "end". It sure will change a lot though when the Savior comes.

[Canuck Mormon]

I remember hearing all about this same thing when the millenium came around. Supposedly they had "predicted" that the machines would take over the earth and kill all humans, or something like that anyway.

If they are right, they're right. If not, no loss. Makes no difference to me.

[poulsenll]

OO NOO! Puolsenll has spoken... and I tought it would finally be end... sigh
So it seems we sitl have a LONG time to go... How about if the Mayan calender shows the day when the judgement day comes?? So maybe a 100 years or two sitl to wait??... [/b]

Addendum

After posting this I thought I had better go back and check my books on the Mayan calendar system. The difference between 12.0.0.0.0 and 13.0.0.0.0 is shorter than I thought. I had forgotten that the number system used for calendar dates is in days not years. The Mayan's calendar count is modified from a true base twenty count in that they used 360 rather than 400 to represent the number of days in a year. Starting at the right, the numbers between the decimal points represent the following.

A 400 year period called a baktun

A 20 year period called a katun

A 360 day period called a tun similar to our year but 5 1/4 days shorter. They made up for this by having a 5 day period at the end of the year which was not included in the calendar count. They then did another adjustment every 52 years to account for the slippage due to the 1/4 days.

A 20 day period called a winal similar to our month

And a one day period called a kin.

A period of 13 baktans was called a great cycle and according to Mayan theorists, at the end of each great cycle the count was set back to 0.0.0.0.0 although there is no real support for this conclusion. The present zero date corresponds to 13 Aug 3114 BC. A great cycle is 5200 years long. All Mayan dates encountered so far fall within this range although use of a dating system which counts days before or after a fixed date reference happennings far in the past and in the future.
What is causing all the furor is the fact that in the year 2012, a great cycle is completed. Our millenium is equal to 10x10x10 years. Their millenium was 20x20x13 or 5200 years compared to our 1000 year millenium.

Larry P

[Maya]

Addendum

After posting this I thought I had better go back and check my books on the Mayan calendar system. The difference between 12.0.0.0.0 and 13.0.0.0.0 is shorter than I thought. I had forgotten that the number system used for calendar dates is in days not years. The Mayan's calendar count is modified from a true base twenty count in that they used 360 rather than 400 to represent the number of days in a year. Starting at the right, the numbers between the decimal points represent the following.

A 400 year period called a baktun

A 20 year period called a katun

A 360 day period called a tun similar to our year but 5 1/4 days shorter. They made up for this by having a 5 day period at the end of the year which was not included in the calendar count. They then did another adjustment every 52 years to account for the slippage due to the 1/4 days.

A 20 day period called a winal similar to our month

And a one day period called a kin.

A period of 13 baktans was called a great cycle and according to Mayan theorists, at the end of each great cycle the count was set back to 0.0.0.0.0 although there is no real support for this conclusion. The present zero date corresponds to 13 Aug 3114 BC. A great cycle is 5200 years long. All Mayan dates encountered so far fall within this range although use of a dating system which counts days before or after a fixed date reference happennings far in the past and in the future.
What is causing all the furor is the fact that in the year 2012, a great cycle is completed. Our millenium is equal to 10x10x10 years. Their millenium was 20x20x13 or 5200 years compared to our 1000 year millenium.

Larry P[/b]

Ok so that means that... one cycle is finnished and a new will begin... what ever that means! A new iceage?? Hmm why could they not use the 1,10,100! Would have been so much easire for us! So I am a couple katuns and half...and a third old... and kin was very busy today! And Christmas is after a winal! :P
And I have done my genealogy a little longer than one baktun! My husband has a line to Adam... if one of the assumpitons we have is a relative.
Thanks for knowledge Poulsnell!!

[poulsenll]

Ok so that means that... one cycle is finnished and a new will begin... what ever that means! A new iceage?? Hmm why could they not use the 1,10,100! Would have been so much easire for us! So I am a couple katuns and half...and a third old... and kin was very busy today! And Christmas is after a winal! :P
And I have done my genealogy a little longer than one baktun! My husband has a line to Adam... if one of the assumpitons we have is a relative.
Thanks for knowledge Poulsnell!![/b]

You are welcome. I just dig it out of books and pass it along. Unfortunately, as I get older, less and less of it seems to stick for very long. I am very lucky to have the Nettie Lee Benson Latin American collection available to me at the Univ of Texas, with full access and faculty checkout privileges. It is one of the largest libraries on Mesoamerica outside of Mexico.

Larry P

[Maya]

You are welcome. I just dig it out of books and pass it along. Unfortunately, as I get older, less and less of it seems to stick for very long. I am very lucky to have the Nettie Lee Benson Latin American collection available to me at the Univ of Texas, with full access and faculty checkout privileges. It is one of the largest libraries on Mesoamerica outside of Mexico.

Larry P[/b]

HEH I know ALL about the age thing... believe me... :P My head is so full of thing, that NOTHING new can be put in, unless I throw something out first... my hubby complains that his is quite empty though.... he must have a leek... not sure which is better...

[Traveler]

You all have probably heard by now that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012. Some have said that this means the end of the world will happen in 2012. What do you think? I personally don't trust it because:

Mat 24:36 KJV But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mar 13:32 KJV But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.[/b]

I am sorry to say this but I believe that theses scriptures concerning the end of time are the least understood and the most misquoted scriptures in Christianity. First a little explanation concerning a saying anciently among the Jews.

On the first day of the year the Jews had a great celebration and feast. The first day of the year always came according to the “Signs”. On the first “Sunday” (first day of the week) marked the first day of the year that followed the first “New Moon” following the vernal equinox. This would be established when two witnesses (qualified) testified of the New Moon following the equinox, before a judge – then the sign would be given to all the Jews which was a fire lit on a hill side. The event was based on the appearance of the sign of the New Moon following the equinox. All these signs are “types and shadows” of Christ.

If a stranger were to ask when the new year would begin or when the feast would take place the common saying was – “No man knows, Not until the sign is given.” This was the saying but anyone that knew the signs of the year could know when the equinox was near and could easily surmise the Sunday to begin the new year. However, if there were storms and clouds blocking the sky often they would say of the attempts to see the signs as not only does no man know but not even the angles of heaven know.

My point is; any saint that studies the scriptures, as did the Magi of the East, will be able to see the signs of great wonder and know, quite accurately when our L-rd will return. For example, when two prophets are killed and lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days (as the ancients counted 3 days) they will know the exact day from the moment the prophets are killed.

The problem we have for now is that there are many prophesies concerning the times of the last days but few pay attention. Always concerning these things does the L-rd reveal his secrets with symbols and does not speak in the terms that speculators like to use to the detriment of those that listen. If someone is wondering if they should waist their time investing for retirement that may not occur because Jesus will come – my recommendation is that you will be better off considering long term investments for your family.

The Traveler

[Abraham]

I am sorry to say this but I believe that theses scriptures concerning the end of time are the least understood and the most misquoted scriptures in Christianity. First a little explanation concerning a saying anciently among the Jews.

On the first day of the year the Jews had a great celebration and feast. The first day of the year always came according to the “Signs”. On the first “Sunday” (first day of the week) marked the first day of the year that followed the first “New Moon” following the vernal equinox. This would be established when two witnesses (qualified) testified of the New Moon following the equinox, before a judge – then the sign would be given to all the Jews which was a fire lit on a hill side. The event was based on the appearance of the sign of the New Moon following the equinox. All these signs are “types and shadows” of Christ.

If a stranger were to ask when the new year would begin or when the feast would take place the common saying was – “No man knows, Not until the sign is given.” This was the saying but anyone that knew the signs of the year could know when the equinox was near and could easily surmise the Sunday to begin the new year. However, if there were storms and clouds blocking the sky often they would say of the attempts to see the signs as not only does no man know but not even the angles of heaven know.

My point is; any saint that studies the scriptures, as did the Magi of the East, will be able to see the signs of great wonder and know, quite accurately when our L-rd will return. For example, when two prophets are killed and lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days (as the ancients counted 3 days) they will know the exact day from the moment the prophets are killed.

The problem we have for now is that there are many prophesies concerning the times of the last days but few pay attention. Always concerning these things does the L-rd reveal his secrets with symbols and does not speak in the terms that speculators like to use to the detriment of those that listen. If someone is wondering if they should waist their time investing for retirement that may not occur because Jesus will come – my recommendation is that you will be better off considering long term investments for your family.

The Traveler[/b]

Very fascinating theories. I find it interesting some of the generalizations. We talk ourselves into believing them sometimes, like saying nothing much will change when the Lord comes. The series of 'Comings' will be wonderful for the saints. The mission of the 144,000 will be amazing as they will be living a terrestrial existence much like Christ after he reached his mission, as well as those who have tarried since then. Alma 9:21 teaches us about the doctrine of translation which will be very evident, so things will not be basically the same, in my humble opinion. I often ask how many survivied the flood? We do not know since all the Saints who were obedient, and righteiou, and faithful were translated before the flood. Noah of course had be preserved since the PH line had to come through him. BTW - did you know that Adam had a significant contibution to what was taken on the Ark I was going to reveal what but the Spirit contrains me. Anyway, we should all be working toward the terrestrial paradigm since none of us can leap to the Celesital wihtout passing through the Terrestrial (think of the temple endowment) not to mention the myriad of scriptural references also. Angels, visions, and more miracles will be necessary during the Mmilleniual reign of the Savior, Yes, things will be considerably different, but we will not be converted to instant shepherds with crooks walking around in robes. The space shuttle will still fly and our technology will be around too, just enhanced. Let's remember that the Mayans did not have the PH to provide the revleation to predict the end of the world, but it is an intersting corolllary. Angels still do come and visit.

All the best,

Abraham of the Chaldeas

[avatar4321]

Very fascinating theories. I find it interesting some of the generalizations. We talk ourselves into believing them sometimes, like saying nothing much will change when the Lord comes. The series of 'Comings' will be wonderful for the saints. The mission of the 144,000 will be amazing as they will be living a terrestrial existence much like Christ after he reached his mission, as well as those who have tarried since then. Alma 9:21 teaches us about the doctrine of translation which will be very evident, so things will not be basically the same, in my humble opinion. I often ask how many survivied the flood? We do not know since all the Saints who were obedient, and righteiou, and faithful were translated before the flood. Noah of course had be preserved since the PH line had to come through him. BTW - did you know that Adam had a significant contibution to what was taken on the Ark I was going to reveal what but the Spirit contrains me. Anyway, we should all be working toward the terrestrial paradigm since none of us can leap to the Celesital wihtout passing through the Terrestrial (think of the temple endowment) not to mention the myriad of scriptural references also. Angels, visions, and more miracles will be necessary during the Mmilleniual reign of the Savior, Yes, things will be considerably different, but we will not be converted to instant shepherds with crooks walking around in robes. The space shuttle will still fly and our technology will be around too, just enhanced. Let's remember that the Mayans did not have the PH to provide the revleation to predict the end of the world, but it is an intersting corolllary. Angels still do come and visit.

All the best,

Abraham of the Chaldeas[/b]

Perhaps the Mayans did have priesthood to provide revelation. Perhaps the revelation came from a previous Nephite prediction.

but i dont think 2012 will be the end of the world or a changing of an era.