Alcohol in moderation

[Misshalfway]

the WOW is however only recently been enforced, the no alcohol/tabacco/hot drinks.... thing was not always a hard and fast rule in the church...

I don't know what you mean by recently.

This is what the D&C study guide says on the subject:

Although the Word of Wisdom was received on 27 February 1833, its acceptance by individual members of the Church was gradual. On 9 September 1851, some eighteen years after it was given, the Patriarch to the Church, John Smith, delivered a talk in general conference on the Word of Wisdom. During his address, President Brigham Young arose and proposed that all Saints formally covenant to abstain from tea, coffee, tobacco, whiskey, and “all things mentioned in the Word of Wisdom” (“Minutes of the General Conference,” Millennial Star, 1 Feb. 1852, p. 35). The motion was accepted unanimously and became binding as a commandment for all Church members thereafter.

Bishops and stake presidents are responsible for determining whether members are worthy to receive Church ordinances such as baptism or those available in the temple or to enter the temple to receive ordinances for others. Keeping the Word of Wisdom is a part of that worthiness.

[flyswatguy]

my piont of view is that a person who has an occasional drink but never more than one or two is stronger than a person who never drinks because of their faith , a balanced attitude that allows for exsposure and with that resistance is stronger than prohabition because theres never any chance to gain experience or build resistance with the latter.
if for some reason you loose your faith you may indeed become a raging alcoholic .
when JS revealed the the word of wisdom it was not given as a commandment but was given as its title suggests a word of wisdom , hence many early lds smoked and drank , salt lake city in its early days had a whisky distilery .
today the church has switched to total prohabition so if you want to have a T/r its no beer for you .

despite being totaly inactive and never having to have T/R interviews i hardly ever drink and if i do never more than two glasses , beer as it happens really does taste like pee . however i do see many people who have no common sense whatsover when it comes to alcohol, for these type of people prohabition is a good idea , it comes down to how socially mature a person is . if you want to relieve stress herbal teas is a much better idea and you don,t end up making a total fool of yourself lying in the gutter after peeing your pants ...

[ADoyle90815]

As someone who is not LDS, I personally have no problem with alcohol in moderation, as I don't drink to get drunk at all. It's usually something like a glass of wine or a beer with a nice meal, and nothing more than that. One thing about alcohol is that not all of it is burned off when cooking, unless it's baked for a long time, so if that's a concern, then there are many substitutions that work just as well. With mouthwash, there are alcohol free types out there, which could be an option. Alcohol is also in some cold medicines, especially the kinds designed to help you sleep when you've got a cold, but those taste so nasty, most people, including many LDS only use that for medicinal purposes.

[FlyingPurpleMonkey]

If even one sip is bad why does D&C 89 say that strong drink is acceptable for the Sacrament?

[will227457]

Originally Posted by pam

Will could you clarify this for me? What do you mean only recently been enforced? I've been a member of the Church for 52 years and I don't remember a time that it wasn't enforced. At least not in any place I've lived and that's been quite a few.

pam you havent been a member long enough

1933, the General Handbook of Instructions listed the Word of Wisdom as a requirement for temple worship, exactly 100 years after the receipt of the revelation by Joseph Smith.

up to that point it was more of a lifestyle guide line......

[Maureen]

...beer as it happens really does taste like pee...

Am I to guess that you know this because you have indeed tasted pee?

[will227457]

only american beer tastes like pee.....

[Maureen]

only american beer tastes like pee.....

What's with all the pee tasting? Maybe the prohibition of tasting of pee should be part of the WofW.

[pam]

Originally Posted by will227457

pam you havent been a member long enough

1933, the General Handbook of Instructions listed the Word of Wisdom as a requirement for temple worship, exactly 100 years after the receipt of the revelation by Joseph Smith.

up to that point it was more of a lifestyle guide line......

I don't think 1933 qualifies as "recent."

[flyswatguy]

Originally Posted by Maureen

Am I to guess that you know this because you have indeed tasted pee?

haha , no but it looks like pee , smells like pee and people here call it piss and say lets go and get pissed .
the taste is quite danky , couldn,t say it was pleasent , maybe refreshing on a hot day , govt reg have weakend the strength to the point that to get drunk you need at least a gallon , hence the saying lets get pissed because you will be running to the toilet all night , perhaps its good point is it flushes out the water works , might be good for preventing kidney stones or for people with kidney stones .
thanx for those pointing out that the lds church wasn,t always drybone .
JS had a bar in the mansion house and the bartender was the infamous porter rockwell ,
after protest from emma smith the bar was closed down.
this to my mind does not make JS not a prophet of god or in anyway a lesser person .
rather it shows him to be outward going and a genuine socialite .
the problem is most mormons have a false and misleading picture of the early history of the church so when these things come out its problem problem problem .
a wise testimony will accept human weakness as being part of the growth structure of the church and is not based on the idea that any particular person is above and beyond .
red wine in moderation is good for the heart and when combined with dark choclate actually lowers cholestrol.
a small glass after dinner will help you relax reducing stress.
As utah has the highest usage of drugs like prozac per capita stress seems to be a problem for many members.
there is a price to pay for idealic standards and stress is most likely it .....

the reason so many members drop out of church is simply to much stress . to much guilt , to much anxiety about meeting a god who cannot look on sin with the least degree of allowance .
the more rules and legalisms surrounding God the more people you shut out .
That could be one reason why Jesus constantly taught about salvation by grace and faith in a God whos charity and love was beyond human comprehension .
most legalist always consider themselves to be men of god such as the pharisees for instance .
it may not occur to them that they may be shutting out the very people whom they thought they were trying to save