Alcohol in moderation

xforeverxmetalx · #1 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009, 07:24 PM

sorry if this has been asked somewhere already, or if this is the wrong place...

I'm mostly just asking in curiosity, what's so wrong with alcohol in moderation? for example a drink on New Years or at fancy dinners, a beer every once in a while, etc.

personally I've never had a sip of alcohol, only a taste of 0.0% beer, which was horrible.

I'm just curious what I could tell some friends of mine, because a lot of them drink and ask me about why I don't.

my thoughts were that "just one sip" can lead to a lot worse, but I'm just curious because that doesn't seem like such a big deal for those people that can drink only on occasion.

Misshalfway · #2 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009, 08:18 PM

We live the WofW because God asked us to. We live it because if we sacrifice and discipline our lives this way, God opens other blessings to us such as protections and hidden knowledge and health. I guess I see it a lot like the covenant God made with Samson that he not cut his hair. It's not really a question of whether or not haircuts are bad. Capeesh?

xforeverxmetalx · #3 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009, 08:36 PM

that makes sense. I was just wondering if there was a reason besides just that we're supposed to.

Maureen · #4 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009, 10:17 PM

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...what's so wrong with alcohol in moderation? for example a drink on New Years or at fancy dinners, a beer every once in a while, etc....

xforeverxmetalx, IMO, there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol in moderation. But then I am non-LDS.

M.

allredcon · #5 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009, 10:57 PM

You can find better antioxidants and diuretics in other stuff. Just one sip is enough my friend. You know how much it took me to finally say "ah, i've had that much, might as well ahve more"? one sip.

and I became an alcoholic. I know, I'm an extreme example. But don't take the chance

jadams_4040 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009, 11:06 PM

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that makes sense. I was just wondering if there was a reason besides just that we're supposed to.

We are suuposed to because God knows where achohol leads; and so do we. he knows where drugs lead, he knows where illicit and immoral sex leads to, he knows where profane language leads to, he knows all these things lead to loss of the spiritual companionship that brings blessings into our lives; have you ever in your life heard anyone ever drink alcohol and "not" get a "loose" toungue"? And a loose tongue comes from feeling good, feeling good is desirus of more feeling good and more feeling good leads to many very serious problems over time, the breakup of relationships, the loss of family, the loss of respect, and most worst of all the loss of spiritual companionship that would open the door to every blessing he has promised us.

changed · #7 (**permalink**) 10-09-2009, 06:49 AM

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what's so wrong with alcohol in moderation?

cyanide in moderation? What’s wrong with adultery in moderation? There are some things which should not be done in moderation.

No, you will not become an alcoholic after just one sip… just one sip and you will have broken a covenant with God though (which is much worse than being an alcoholic IMO).

I am a convert, I have “tasted” alcohol... I hate alcohol with a passion, it killed my grandfather. There are many things I have learned my lessons first hand with, that I will never go back to, a life I never want to repeat. For those who have had trouble with alcohol, being around another who has “just one drink” is a hard thing. You could be saving someone from getting off the wagon by being another who will not touch the stuff. If you feel uncomfortable saying “I don’t drink for religious reasons”, join MADD, or Citizens against DD… cite all of the ills to society drinking cases, and tell them it is your political beliefs.

Why support an industry that has killed so many people? Like giving money to cigarette companies, or porn companies. Partaking in it is supporting the industry - think of that.

Hemidakota · #8 (**permalink**) 10-09-2009, 07:54 AM

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that makes sense. I was just wondering if there was a reason besides just that we're supposed to.

Revisit and learned the lesson from Abram [Abraham] when he was told to offer his son Isaac to GOD. Did Abram ask GOD why or did he just listen and did what GOD told him to do?

Misshalfway · #9 (**permalink**) 10-09-2009, 02:18 PM

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that makes sense. I was just wondering if there was a reason besides just that we're supposed to.

I didn't say we do it ONLY because we are suppose to.

You need to spend a little time pondering Section 89. The answers are in the verses.

3 Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.
4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

So....its for the weakest of the saints and its meant as a warning and a protection. It won't take long for you to see the problems that come from abusing the human body.

18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

And here at the end are the promises....and also this end idea that living the wofw will be like the lambs blood on the doorways of the Israelites. The destroying angel will pass us by. Think about that.

xforeverxmetalx · #10 (**permalink**) 10-09-2009, 05:06 PM

I understand all that, and that's why I don't drink myself, that's what I tell people when they ask.

personally I try to question everything, even religious topics, which so far helps me come to a greater understanding, and the concepts make sense. if there's a known reason for doing something, I want to know it at least generally. but for things like blacks getting the priesthood later than the rest of us, and in this case drinking just a small amount, I just accept and hope I'll find out eventually.

I know alcohol in general isn't good at all for the body, but anyone who uses mouthwash has had some [it gets absorbed through the mouth], and we don't ban mouthwash as far as I know. so that's already a bit of alcohol.

I'm mostly trying to look at it from the perspective of a nonmember, who doesn't believe in the WoW, the scriptures, or even the Bible. most of the people I talk to about it have trouble understanding that I won't even have one beer, and I want to be able to explain it to them in a way that isn't just "well, it's how my religion works and it's what I believe in, you can't understand it unless you believe what I do"