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07-16-2008, 03:16 AM
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Hello and welcome!
It´s nice to here from you so take care and stay safe.
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07-16-2008, 11:17 AM
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 Thank you for sharing your views of Iraq with us. Thank you for being there anyway...even if you love it....
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07-16-2008, 12:13 PM
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Good question and this is one I love to answer. It is getting alot better over here and we are helping so many people I think there are more Bush supporters here than in the states  . I don't even watch the news anymore cause honestly it is just like a cluster of lies I saw something where a reporter who has been over here for like five years was trying to give her station the real storys and they wouldn't air it and instead was reporting on Paris Hilton (shows what the american people are thinking about),but she said the media is not even close to reporting the truth on what is going on in both war fronts. I think there is hope insight it just depends on the people here and what they choose to do with what we give them and some of them do a great job at it. I've talked to alot of people over here,been thanked by many,and played with more kids then if I worked at a day care center they seem to love us here and want our help.So yes the media has it wrong, yes it is bad but not as bad as you think, also it is getting alot better. I hope that answers your question.
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Thanks for this information. I really appreciate your honesty. In trying to decide who I will vote for in this election, I think it might help to know the truth about Iraq!!! 
I hate it that the networks don't want to broadcast the truth. Greed and power! It gets really old!
Just one more question....Do you think our leaders messed it up early on or do you think these dynamics would have happened in spite of the best tactics?
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07-17-2008, 01:02 AM
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Just one more question....Do you think our leaders messed it up early on or do you think these dynamics would have happened in spite of the best tactics?
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Well the leaders did the best with what they had and the intel they was getting and don't be fooled either by the media claiming there was no WMDs just think about that. The "dynamics" would have been the same no matter what, these arn't regular army we are fighting against, they are "holy" fighters. They have been fighting this war since the time of Islam was Islam.These guys have fought crusaders,russians,us,etc I think they have fought with everyone and are pretty good at it they use tactics from every army since the begining of time and even some of ours and use what works. Which is why they seem effective cause they are flexiable and not controled by rules. They are trying to scare us out of here and take over the country to put it under Islam rule and build a "new" Islam empire and that is all they are doing just scare tactics heck most of the fighters are not even from here they are from other muslim countrys the ones they get from here they tell them "do this or I will kill your family in front of you" now don't think there isn't alot of Iraqi insurgents cause there is but just not the whole country. I think I got the basics of what I wanted to say in there I could go on for days on all of that but that should answer your question... I mean the dynamics would have been the same no matter what,and we also use tactics like they do as well such as IEDs-claymore,rockets,gernades,etc they just use it to scare people we use it for anti-personnel.That is just war and we are stuck in the same holy war that has been going on since forever. Hope that helps lol I feel like I was rambling  .
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07-17-2008, 08:51 AM
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Well the leaders did the best with what they had and the intel they was getting and don't be fooled either by the media claiming there was no WMDs just think about that. The "dynamics" would have been the same no matter what, these arn't regular army we are fighting against, they are "holy" fighters. They have been fighting this war since the time of Islam was Islam.These guys have fought crusaders,russians,us,etc I think they have fought with everyone and are pretty good at it they use tactics from every army since the begining of time and even some of ours and use what works. Which is why they seem effective cause they are flexiable and not controled by rules. They are trying to scare us out of here and take over the country to put it under Islam rule and build a "new" Islam empire and that is all they are doing just scare tactics heck most of the fighters are not even from here they are from other muslim countrys the ones they get from here they tell them "do this or I will kill your family in front of you" now don't think there isn't alot of Iraqi insurgents cause there is but just not the whole country. I think I got the basics of what I wanted to say in there I could go on for days on all of that but that should answer your question... I mean the dynamics would have been the same no matter what,and we also use tactics like they do as well such as IEDs-claymore,rockets,gernades,etc they just use it to scare people we use it for anti-personnel.That is just war and we are stuck in the same holy war that has been going on since forever. Hope that helps lol I feel like I was rambling  .
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As far as I am concerned you could ramble on and on and I would enjoy whatever you had to say.
Thank you for the uncluttered view of what is really going on. Seriously, I watch the news programs and at the end of all of it, I am not sure what to think about it. I supported Bush going to Iraq in the first place, but I think I assumed it would be as easy as the first war over there. I was glad to see Sadam removed from power, but so saddened to hear that there is such fighting over this land. But understanding the ancient history puts it all into perspective. All I hear is how much everyone hates America and how awful our foreign policy is. Sometimes I feel compassionate for the leaders. I mean who could have fore seen 9/11 and all the fall out. Then again maybe they should have seen it coming. But then I get so angry with congress and well, all of them in Washington as they fight amongst one another and seem to confuse everything for you guys on the ground.
It is rare that we hear about the good parts of this effort. I have seen a few reports of grateful Iraqi's. And as always we support the troops 100%.
Just one more question, and I promise I will let you alone.  Do you think that we should stay the course in Iraq or do you think we should get out and let the Iraqi take on the responsibility for their own country?
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07-17-2008, 07:22 PM
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I think if we pulled out of Iraq they wouldn't be able to run thier own country it would be taken over and nothing would ever get fixed and the people would just live in an awful dirty and uneducated country. I think we need to stay a little longer help build up the army and the government also the schools,economy,etc then leave it up to them. Something the american people fail to realize though is we are never going to 100% leave Iraq...look how long ago we was in Germany,Japan,Korea,etc and we still have bases in those countries.
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I think if we pulled out of Iraq they wouldn't be able to run thier own country it would be taken over and nothing would ever get fixed and the people would just live in an awful dirty and uneducated country. I think we need to stay a little longer help build up the army and the government also the schools,economy,etc then leave it up to them. Something the american people fail to realize though is we are never going to 100% leave Iraq...look how long ago we was in Germany,Japan,Korea,etc and we still have bases in those countries.
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That was my thoughts from the moment we went in. From a strategic standpoint, i makes more sense to have people there right now, but I have always thought the numbers eeded to be stronger, and not reduced
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07-19-2008, 01:24 AM
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Hello everyone my name is Donnie and as you can tell I am in Iraq at the moment so that is fun. ...
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Welcome Donnie.
My name is Jacek.
I’m from Poland.
I love you, Donnie.
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07-19-2008, 08:33 PM
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Whats up!!!! I'll keep you in my prayers hadl. Thank you for standing in harms way. I know you are just doing your job but I do appreciate your sacrifice in serving in these trying times. Gods Blessings on you and your unit.
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, “Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?” Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we're liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."
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