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04-02-2008, 03:46 PM
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A few GA and handful BYU professors in the past covered the subject on-n-off but not in a book form that I am aware of.
Intelligence Eternal-Not Created: "Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be." (Doc. & Cov., Sec. xciii, 29.)
It is more of researching the subject and 'connecting-the-dots' to put it into one big picture. Too bad I couldn't pick JS mind if he was alive today. 
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Thank you for all of this, but in what way does this go beyond what Skousen presented in his talk?
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04-02-2008, 03:47 PM
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What did these "GAs and BYU Professors" talk about, beyond what Skousen says?
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04-02-2008, 04:03 PM
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He clearly limits his talk to the three states only. I can understand that since most, whom the spirit will not 'stir the soul', in grasping the deeper meaning of progression of life.
As quoted in another thread, I left a [high level] line of progression, a snapshot that only requires a simple wrapped ‘return line’ to the other side.
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04-02-2008, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hemidakota
He clearly limits his talk to the three states only. I can understand that since most, whom the spirit will not 'stir the soul', in grasping the deeper meaning of progression of life.
As quoted in another thread, I left a [high level] line of progression, a snapshot that only requires a simple wrapped ‘return line’ to the other side.
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You're speaking in riddles.
Do you have "more" -- BEYOND SKOUSEN'S TALK -- that you can give me?
Yes?
No?
Maybe so?
Give me the links man!!
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04-02-2008, 07:18 PM
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I respect your answer but that old sentence is an excuse for things that can't be explained.
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It can be an excuse, but isn't always so.
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I may read it but not prayerfully. I don't think I believe in prayer any longer. The same thing will happen with or without it.
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Indeed. In either case, I wish and hope all the best for you.
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Tomk...what Skousen are you referring to?
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04-02-2008, 07:31 PM
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Tomk...what Skousen are you referring to?
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Who cares, Skousen (and all apologists) is a dingus.
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04-02-2008, 07:36 PM
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Tomk...what Skousen are you referring to?
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W. Cleon Skousen
He gave a talk on the Atonement, which explains how "Intelligences" are what we call the "demands of Justice"
They are extremely tiny. They form the fabric of the universe.
Here is the talk:
A Personal Search for the Meaning of the Atonement Cronk
Hope this helps.
Tom
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Who cares, Skousen (and all apologists) is a dingus.
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As apologists are neither leaders or teachers, unless they are so called or are general authorities, but are paid for their priestcraft, I am free to criticize them and their absolute arrogance and printed blathering whenever I feel like it. Skousen, Nibley, et al. and the nice seminary teacher in my ward (and all the CES monkeys at BYU) have no authority in the church to speak for its doctrine only those called, set-apart, and sustained in conference are. All these little Nehorites, who publish through D-Book (except afore mentioned GAs), have no right to honor, privilege, or critical refuge from me or anyone else.
Do not elevate those who deserve absolutely nothing and ought to be banned from being quoted in Sacrament Meetings and Gospel Doctrine, PH & RS Lessons.
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