What are the Laws?

[brother01]

Originally Posted by VisionOfLehi

Sorry, I have been AWOL.

I will look your contribution over when I have time and can focus.

The Law of the Holy Ghost is that sins against the Holy Ghost are unforgiveable. I didn't keep all my references to it...

Was it Jesus who said that if we speak blasphemy against the Holy Ghost that it is unforgivable? Can't say as I've seen a link to all sins against the Holy Ghost...although I'm wondering about the ways that the Lord might consider a sin to be a sin against the Holy Ghost. He was speaking about those who said He was healing by the power of Satan or demons or something like that. Do you think Jesus' power to heal was the Holy Ghost?

[rameumptom]

We've been taught that it is very difficult to deny/sin against the Holy Ghost. Alma, in speaking with Corianton, told him that the three worse sins were sexual sin, murder and denying the Holy Ghost (from bad to worst).
Joseph Smith stated that one would have to have a full knowledge of Jesus Christ, and then become his absolute enemy, killing the innocent, and loving evil, to be a Son of Perdition. As far we we know, the only person who has certainly achieved that title in mortality is Cain.
Most of us mortals will deal with escaping the punishments awaiting those who deserve the Telestial Kingdom. These are individuals who oppose God on many levels, but just not on the deepest level. These ARE the adulterers and murderers.

[VisionOfLehi]

Originally Posted by VisionOfLehi

Please go here: What are the Laws? (Discussion) to discuss these.

*cough*

[ErikJohnson]

Perhaps there should be some discussion of the purpose of the law...

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe...

--Romans 3:20-22 (NIV)

[brother01]

That's a great verse.

[Spacemecha]

This may have already been stated elsewhere, but I just learned about it personally last night. You may already know about this yourself, but I didn't realize/understand it till last night.

Yesterday I got to go to the Detroit Temple and was baptised and confirmed for the dead. I did experience a witness by the holy ghost that this was true and righteous and a good thing. So afterwards as I was laying in bed before sleep, I was reading up on baptism for the dead starting in the D&C section 124 in verse 29.

I then realized something about the law of consequence. It's not just that you can't pick what consequence follows sin, but it's not always who gets in trouble is the same, such as it might not be you, who when failing to complete a commandment, be the one at fault, or if you were relying on another who sinned, you might be included. It seems it is very specific by sin, usually outlined in the covenant or commandment, but I think it falls within the law of consequence as it's not just what happens, but who it happens to. These are the two examples I found in Section 124 ~

29 For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—
30 For this ordinance belongeth to my house, and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me.
31 But I command you, all ye my saints, to build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; and during this time your baptisms shall be acceptable unto me.
32 But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable unto me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead, saith the Lord your God.

Here it seems that the dead were tied into this covenants consequence. The dead who have to completely rely on their mortal brethren and sisters to do their work for them, would be rejected if we messed up with the work for the dead.

In the same section of 124
49 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings.
50 And the iniquity and transgression of my holy laws and commandments I will visit upon the heads of those who hindered my work, unto the third and fourth generation, so long as they repent not, and hate me, saith the Lord God.
51 Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a house unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God.

And here it puts the consequence of failing i.e. breaking covenants onto those who caused the failure to do the work of the lord and not on those who were doing the work and were stopped.

Then I remembered Jacob talking about how leaders were responsible for their subjects actions, and Lehi's blessing on his posterity how if the parents stayed true to the lord and raised their children right, it would be good, else if they strayed, and raised their children wrong, the sins of the children would be held to the parents.

Sorry if this has been stated before, but I just wanted to share my realization with other people. To me it seems that the Law of consequences only gets said as if it's just the consequence that you can't determine. It's also the person who gets the consequence that you have no control over as it is already determined and stated in whatever covenant. Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ know all about our dealings, and they are just and merciful in their dealings with us unruly children.

Just thought I would share this even if you already know. I hope I didn't confuse anybody.

Edit part~~A further realization I had like two seconds after I posted. When you sin, this can prove in certain circumstances that you definitely can harm other people and you can't rationalize it away that it only affects yourself.

[mikey9a]

the laws given to us from God are laws that have eternal consequences, though I suspect they are minor compared to the laws that we must obey in a Celestial setting.

[CrimsonKairos]

Originally Posted by rameumptom

As far we we know, the only person who has certainly achieved that title in mortality is Cain.

Check the New Testament, John 17:12.

Christ clearly identifies Judas as a Son of Perdition.

[Yekcidmij]

Originally Posted by rameumptom

The core Laws of God are the following:

The Law of Sacrifice - under the Aaronic Priesthood it is sacrifice of animals, under the Melchizedek Priesthood it is the sacrifice of a broken heart and contrite spirit (3 Ne 9-10), which humbles us enough to receive the higher laws and ordinances of God.

The Law of the Gospel - this includes the restored teachings of Christ as found in the New Testament, particularly IMO, the teachings from the Sermon on the Mount. It can also include the concept of the two great commandments: Love God and Love thy Neighbor.

The Law of Chastity - this represents our becoming faithful to a familial relationship. If we cannot be faithful with a spouse we are with, how can we be faithful to the unseen God? The scriptures are filled with warnings to be chaste, and avoiding all sexual sin.

The Law of Consecration - As we see in Acts 5, 4 Nephi, and D&C 82 (etc) it is the concept of devoting our whole lives to God. We are to develop talents and then place them in the bishop's storehouse for the benefit of the family/community. "Each seeking the welfare of his neighbor" and the concept that all are to be equal in temporal things if we ever wish to be equal in spiritual and eternal things.

I think the core Law of God is found in Genesis - Deuteronomy (the Torah). Jesus even affirms this:

Love God with all your being (Deut 6:5)
Love your neighbor as yourself (Lev 19:18)
Sacrificial Laws (Lev 1-9, 16-17, 19)
Tithing was taught in several places in the Torah as well as taking care of the priests needs, which were met largely through eating certain offerings.


Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy are the core Torah.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by ErikJohnson

Perhaps there should be some discussion of the purpose of the law...

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe...

--Romans 3:20-22 (NIV)

If we are damned to the lake of fire law only served a purpose of making us guilty. But law for the saved from that place will effect degrees of reward, positions, privileges, or places. To pass the judgement people have to be declared righteous through faith on whatever law they pass.