The Cross

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by bert10

I have told you the truth...The Christians have abominable doctrines if they had been right....I can positively state to you ...that the Midwest also known as the bible belt would not be suffering storms, droughts and floods in biblical proportion..simply because the Lord will spare the wicked if there are enough men living righteously. And "righteously" means...Doing the Right according to God's Right. (hearing by God voice.)

Peace be unto you
bert10

Yikes! So much for those mid-west Mormons...

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[bytor2112]

Close to leaving??!!..... sounds like you were never there! Many issues, please. If you really wanted to know the truth you would go to church instead of listening to those all knowing members of other faiths. I bet your friends have researched the LDS faith more than they researched the history or beliefs of their own churches teachings. MIGHT AS WELL HEAD FOR THE EXIT SIGN AND GET "SAVED" , because you aren't going to find a testimony here and you have already stated your not looking for one.

[Islander]

Originally Posted by Moksha

Yikes! So much for those mid-west Mormons...

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True...poor people.

That is a bit extreme. I would suggest that God will not judge the righteous with the wicked. for the sake of ONE He would spare the city. What do you think.

[Rekhyt2238]

Originally Posted by Islander

You have no idea of the consequences of rejecting the Gospel and the doctrine of the kingdom after it has been given to you.

I'm curious about this. Hypothetically speaking, lets say that I do leave the church. After I die, I find out that it was actually the true church. What would happen to me? Let me add, that I do not, nor have ever had a real testimony of the LDS church.

Close to leaving??!!..... sounds like you were never there! Many issues, please. If you really wanted to know the truth you would go to church instead of listening to those all knowing members of other faiths. I bet your friends have researched the LDS faith more than they researched the history or beliefs of their own churches teachings. MIGHT AS WELL HEAD FOR THE EXIT SIGN AND GET "SAVED" , because you aren't going to find a testimony here and you have already stated your not looking for one.

How many times have I said that I tried going to church?! I STILL went even when they did not WANT me there! And after so long, I had had enough! I was not getting much out of it, and the people were evil(And yes, there are plenty of very evil mormons). My non LDS friends knew almost NOTHING about the church until I told them things! Half of quite a few bible studies was me explaining their questions about the church! I STATED that I was not looking for a testimony HERE! I am looking for a testimony! I simply am not naive enough to think an online forum could give me a testimony! Bytor, you seem very familiar. You seem a lot like some of the mormons who have been pushing me AWAY from the church!

[Islander]

Originally Posted by Rekhyt2238

I'm curious about this. Hypothetically speaking, lets say that I do leave the church. After I die, I find out that it was actually the true church. What would happen to me? Let me add, that I do not, nor have ever had a real testimony of the LDS church.



How many times have I said that I tried going to church?! I STILL went even when they did not WANT me there! And after so long, I had had enough! I was not getting much out of it, and the people were evil(And yes, there are plenty of very evil mormons). My non LDS friends knew almost NOTHING about the church until I told them things! Half of quite a few bible studies was me explaining their questions about the church! I STATED that I was not looking for a testimony HERE! I am looking for a testimony! I simply am not naive enough to think an online forum could give me a testimony! Bytor, you seem very familiar. You seem a lot like some of the mormons who have been pushing me AWAY from the church!

You do not sound like a member of the church. You refer to certain church activities in a way that is not typical and you seem to ignore certain idiosyncrasies that should be second nature.

You are referring to members of the church as "evil people" and in 9 years as a member of the church I have never heard anybody speak in those terms. I find your statements quite suspect at this point so I will be ending my exchange with you here. There is something quite wrong with you and yor life that I have no further interest to explore. I have nothing else to offer you.

I will suggest to the MOD to close this thread.

[scdoyle]

Originally Posted by Rekhyt2238

My opinion on the subject, is that the symbol of Christ's' death, the Cross, is the symbol of Christianity because without his death there would be no religion.

So if Christ was killed with a gun, would you wear a gun around your neck?

[skalenfehl]

Originally Posted by scdoyle

So if Christ was killed with a gun, would you wear a gun around your neck?

I've heard this one before, but I'm not sure it is the right approach. Rekhyt2238, I'm sorry that you have had such experiences in that ward. I have been in wards before where I have felt unwelcome, sometimes judged. Some members and even some wards can be filled with judgmental attitudes and self righteousness. This is the exception.

I have two boys not much older than you and I sense that more than anything you wish to be understood. Honestly, if you want to wear a cross, I am sure the Lord will not object. There are far worse things that you could be wearing. Are there other concerns that we could help to address so that you could give the church a fair shot before making up your mind? Gaining a testimony can be a journey more so than a destination. It is a process and with a little diligence proves to be a very rewarding experience.

[bytor2112]

Rekhyt2238, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh. I hope you find the answers your are looking for here or elsewhere. I sometimes forget that we are all at different places in the journey that Skale talked about. My mother doesn't like her new Ward and is struggling to atend. Mormons can be very clickish and while I am not from Utah, I hear it can be really bad there, depending on the Ward. Have you considered checking out some different Wards?

If I offended you and it sounds like I did...please accept my apology. The Church is true, best of luck on your journey.

[prisonchaplain]

Originally Posted by scdoyle

So if Christ was killed with a gun, would you wear a gun around your neck?

YES!

The cross reminds us of the means of Christ's sacrifice. It is not idolatry, a desire for the morbid, nor defeatism, that motivates us to use the cross as our primary image, when telling the gospel. Just as we did not know Abraham's faith and love for God until he lifted the knife to sacrifice his own son, we could not see, nor understand the rock-solid love of God for us.

Again, this motivates us to live with humility, and yet righteousness and spiritual confidence. Gun, electric chair, noose--the instrument of Christ's death would be our badge of honor.

[Rekhyt2238]

I first want to apologize to everyone for my outburst. The term evil was very harsh.

Originally Posted by Islander

You do not sound like a member of the church. You refer to certain church activities in a way that is not typical and you seem to ignore certain idiosyncrasies that should be second nature.

Islander, as I have specifically apologized to you in our private messages, I hope you will reconsider talking with me. If you do, please elaborate on what you meant, I would really appreciate it.

Rekhyt2238, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh. I hope you find the answers your are looking for here or elsewhere. I sometimes forget that we are all at different places in the journey that Skale talked about. My mother doesn't like her new Ward and is struggling to atend. Mormons can be very clickish and while I am not from Utah, I hear it can be really bad there, depending on the Ward. Have you considered checking out some different Wards?

If I offended you and it sounds like I did...please accept my apology. The Church is true, best of luck on your journey.

Apology accepted. I simply hope everyone accepts my apology.