Anti-Mormons

[omega0401]

Originally Posted by Elphaba

I also admit I do have a reason for my love of discussing the Church that is personal, and thus, something I will not disclose. But I have no nefarious motives, and like I said, once you get to know me. . . well, you get the idea.

Elphaba, thank you for sharing a little bit about yourself. Being an Athiest, it's interesting that you say you love being here at a religious forum.

I believe you that you have no nefarious motives for being here but I'm sure a lot of us would love to know why. I don't think you are searching for anything, including God, so it makes me wonder. Friendship perhaps or a social connection with others or to challenge other people's beliefs? I hope we keep getting to know you and to exchange different view points.

[omega0401]

Originally Posted by Maurice

I have no idea why you have written to me the way you have but in reply I do not need a prophet fore I have a Saviour who is with me Hebrews 4:14-16 and the Holy Spirit (Ghost) who guides into into truth. John 14:12-15. I thought I would reply .
Maurice

In Acts 21:10 we read, “And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.”

His is also mentioned in Acts 11:28. I wished we had more information about this prophet of the Lord. But it does prove to show, unless we do not believe the bible, that prophets existed after Christ was crucified. How many prophets? We do not know but it is not important. One, I think, is sufficient to know they existed. But they are sent to teach and to instruct and to call us to repentance and to keep the young members of the Lord’s church from going astray which, if you read the bible, it seemed to happen often, so often in fact that after Christ's prophets and apostles were killed the church went into an apostasy. But...that's a whole other topic.

In Amos 3:7 we read, “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” He’s not going to reveal them to you or me. If you want to know those secrets you have to seek out His prophets.

If I lived in Agabus' time, should I say I do not need you for I have my Savior with me? To say you do not need prophets, even for reasons I have mentioned above, sounds disrespectful to the Lord’s servants and you probably did not mean for it to sound disrespectful. We do not put prophets of the Lord on the same level as the Savior. Certainly not.

Christ is our Savior in every meaning of the word and the greatest man to ever walk the earth. And He is the only man that can bring us unto God our Heavenly Father. He has also given us His prophets in the latter days to do the same things as was done in the past – to teach, instruct, bring us to repentance, and keep us on the straight and narrow path. Why should His children, living in these latter days, be treated any differently? I hope you will give this a lot of thought, fasting, scripture study, and prayer.

[WANDERER]

I find the question: Why are you on an LDS message board? Overused and begging for an answer.

Why are you on a message board talking to atheists, anti-mormans and people who do not hold your beliefs?

It would be an interesting psychological profile to look at people who are here to convert others and how similar in make-up are they to those that seek out lateral dialogue with others. In sharing with others we learn about ourselves and others, our beliefs and perceptions, and tolerance/respect levels and our understanding and/or development of faith.

Anti-Morman ...well I guess they're still dialogueing if on less broad terms...is it the nemesis of the over-the-top Morman?

[Maurice]

I do not deny that there were prophets as you mention and that the prophetic gift is still in the church. What I was saying is that I do not need a prophet like Moses today -my needs are fulfilled in Jesus and the guidence of the Holy Ghost. That is not to deny that the Lord does use prphets like Agabus bit they do not add to the revelation of Scripture (the Bible).

[omega0401]

Originally Posted by Maurice

I do not deny that there were prophets as you mention and that the prophetic gift is still in the church. What I was saying is that I do not need a prophet like Moses today -my needs are fulfilled in Jesus and the guidence of the Holy Ghost. That is not to deny that the Lord does use prphets like Agabus bit they do not add to the revelation of Scripture (the Bible).

Surely you are not saying that the mind and will of the Lord is contained entirely in the bible? That He has no further information to give us therefore we need no further revelation? I wish it were that simple but it is not especially since so many people have so many different interpretation of the bible which is another reason the lord sends us his prophets.

I'm sorry but I believe the Lord has much, much more to say than what is currently revealed in the bible and to send us His prophet to properly interpret the bible. I cannot put God's knowledge in a book and say that's it, you have it all. There is no more to give you. I cannot limit God in such a manner.

[Maurice]

Sorry about the spelling mistakes in the last email-due to rush. Yes I am saying all we need is in the Bible. I am aware that Latter Day Saints hold a different view. I did ask you in one email to explai one teaching concerning Salvation found in the book of Mormon that is not in the Bible -still waiting for a reply. Another area in which you might be able to help me over is that of the Lord speaking through prophets today. If I am wrong please correct me- but it would appear that the mind of God can be change - that is what God has revield he can change (according to LDS teaching) like the issue concening black people to the priesthood. Is this the case?
Also could you mention what issues the Lord has spoken to his Church in the last 50 years -What has been added to the revelation since Joseph Smith and Young etc.
It is intersting to discuss things with you but I need some form of authorative statements from you - what LDS believe - my beliefs are in the Bible -(I understand Article 8) But it is only when it is correctly interpreted and the Book of Mormon is clearly explained that any discussion can take place.
I am always ready to change my mind so long as it can be seen from the Bible that i am wrong. Just what revelation do I need concerning the Salvation to be found in Jesus That is not in the Bible?

[Misshalfway]

Maurice,

It is clear to me that you disagree with the idea that Prophets and modern revelation. But forgive me, I am still unclear as to why you are "hurt" by the position of the church. I see nothing hurtful here, just differences in beliefs.

[OtterPop]

Originally Posted by Islander

I am not a psychologist, but I am sure one of them would find these conflicting dynamics fascinating! People engaged, compelled by an unknown drive to participate in (the forum) something they admittedly want no part of (LDS religion), they decided of their own volition to abandon or simply believe otherwise not to be true! But they spend hours literally engaged in the exchange.

I am just beside myself!!

I've written about why I'm here, Elphaba's written about why she's here -- and that's been in just the few threads I have read over the past week. My guess is that this is a pretty common question on this board.

Elphaba and I are hardly "compelled by an unknown drive to participate." We have both explained why.

What's so puzzling?

[omega0401]

Originally Posted by Maurice

...I did ask you in one email to explain...

Maurice, it would be really helpful for you to give a user name and not just "you" in your post. I don't think anyone knows who you are referring to when you do that. If you want to answer a post then click the button that reads "quote" and it will put the user name belonging to that post inside of your new post and this way everyone knows who's post your are replying back to.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Sorry about the spelling mistakes in the last email-due to rush. Yes I am saying all we need is in the Bible. I am aware that Latter Day Saints hold a different view. I did ask you in one email to explai one teaching concerning Salvation found in the book of Mormon that is not in the Bible -still waiting for a reply. Another area in which you might be able to help me over is that of the Lord speaking through prophets today. If I am wrong please correct me- but it would appear that the mind of God can be change - that is what God has revield he can change (according to LDS teaching) like the issue concening black people to the priesthood. Is this the case?
Also could you mention what issues the Lord has spoken to his Church in the last 50 years -What has been added to the revelation since Joseph Smith and Young etc.
It is intersting to discuss things with you but I need some form of authorative statements from you - what LDS believe - my beliefs are in the Bible -(I understand Article 8) But it is only when it is correctly interpreted and the Book of Mormon is clearly explained that any discussion can take place.
I am always ready to change my mind so long as it can be seen from the Bible that i am wrong. Just what revelation do I need concerning the Salvation to be found in Jesus That is not in the Bible?

Would you kindly indicate the point in history you feel that Christians have actually followed the Bible during the last 2000 years and why there have been such drastic changes in traditional Christian societies since Christ, especially changes in how non-Trinitarian Christians have been treated by Bible-only-Christians that controlled laws of their society over just the last 300 years?

I would also be interested in what Bible-only-Christians have contributed to science and politics.

The Traveler