Noah and the flood.....

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by changed

I don’t think God only works through “natural” means… or at least what we consider to be “natural”. Not that He is a “God of the gaps” but there is no need to try and explain everything away to verify it…

Since all intelligence honor HIM and this gives GOD HIS power, anything that is requested, including bringing water to this earth will not be a problem.

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by bytor2112

It doesn't really matter to me either way. Global flood or localized, do we even know how many people existed during this time or where they existed at? The program made some pretty strong statements regarding the impossibility of building the ark as well. They claimed it could not have stayed a float without a metal skeletel structure....and that Noah couldn't possibly have loaded all creatures on the Ark. They read some scriptures from Leviticus regarding the probable types of animals that Noah loaded on to the ARk.

The Naval Research Center applied the Ark model both computer simulation and a scaled down model and it works. It was on the History Channel last year. If any animals were loaded into the ark, I would venture to say, first they came to him and they were more of the order of domestic local animals. What happened after with cross breeding and repopulating the world, we still don't have any additional records at this time. We simply don't know beyond that the people of Jared were not the only people that was commanded for other portion of this earth. I would say, when the sealed portion of the plates are revealed, we will get our answers.

Now, have you been to the La Brea Tar pits in seeing what was yielded? This is located in the Los Angeles basin. You will be surprised. Even in the Florida keys, they found Elephant remains. Strange to be in the Americas. LOL

[changed]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Would all the earths require the same baptismal act? Do those of the lesser glory - namely the Telestial and Terrestial require to be baptized in order to receive that state of glory?

"earth must be sanctified and prepared for the celestial glory" The Earth is destined for celestial glory, not Telestial / Terrestial...

some cut - n - pastes from BD

EARTH.
See also Create, Creation; World

The planet on which we live, created by God through Jesus Christ to be used by man during his mortal probation. Its final destiny is to become glorified and exalted (D&C 77:1–2; 130:8–9). The earth will become an eternal inheritance of those who have lived worthy of a celestial glory (D&C 88:14–26). They will enjoy the presence of the Father and the Son (D&C 76:62).

Created for man: God gave man dominion over the earth, Gen. 1:28 (Moses 2:28). The earth is the Lord's, Ex. 9:29 (Ps. 24:1). The Lord has given the earth to the children of men, Ps. 115:16. I have made the earth and created man upon it, Isa. 45:12. By the power of his word man came upon the earth, Jacob 4:9. The earth shall be given to those who have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, D&C 45:56–58 (D&C 103:7). Those who have obeyed the gospel are rewarded with the good things of the earth, D&C 59:3. The poor and the meek of the earth shall inherit it, D&C 88:17 (Matt. 5:5; 3 Ne. 12:5). We will make an earth, and we will prove them, Abr. 3:24–25.

A living entity: The earth abideth forever, Eccl. 1:4. The sea of glass is the earth in its sanctified, immortal, and eternal state, D&C 77:1. The earth must be sanctified and prepared for the celestial glory, D&C 88:18–19. The earth mourned aloud, Moses 7:48.

Division of the earth: Let the waters be gathered together unto one place, Gen. 1:9. In the days of Peleg was the earth divided, Gen. 10:25. After the waters had receded, it became a choice land, Ether 13:2. The earth shall be like it was before it was divided, D&C 133:24.

Cleansing of the earth: Rain fell upon the earth for forty days, Gen. 7:4. The earth is reserved unto fire against the day of judgment, 2 Pet. 3:7. After today cometh the burning, D&C 64:24. The earth desires to be cleansed from filthiness, Moses 7:48.

Final state of the earth: The earth will be wrapt together as a scroll and pass away, 3 Ne. 26:3 (D&C 29:23). There shall be a new heaven and a new earth, Ether 13:9 (D&C 29:23). The sea of glass is the earth in its sanctified, immortal, and eternal state, D&C 77:1. The earth must be sanctified and prepared for the celestial glory, D&C 88:18–19. This earth will be made like unto crystal and will be a Urim and Thummim, D&C 130:8–9. For a thousand years the earth shall rest, Moses 7:64. The earth will be renewed, A of F 1:10.

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Miracles.
An important element in the work of Jesus Christ, being not only divine acts, but forming also a part of the divine teaching. Christianity is founded on the greatest of all miracles, the resurrection of our Lord. If that be admitted, other miracles cease to be improbable. Miracles should not be regarded as deviations from the ordinary course of nature so much as manifestations of divine or spiritual power. Some lower law was in each case superseded by the action of a higher. They were intended to be a proof to the Jews that Jesus was the Christ (Matt. 11:4–5; John 2:11; 10:25; 20:30–31). Many of them were also parabolic and instructive, teaching by means of symbols such divine truths as the result of sin and the cure of sin; the value of faith; the curse of impurity; and the law of love. The miracles of healing also show how the law of love is to deal with the actual facts of life. Miracles were and are a response to faith, and its best encouragement. They were never wrought without prayer, felt need, and faith.

It is important to notice the different names by which miracles are described. They are called signs, as being visible tokens of an invisible power; they are powers or mighty works, because they are the acts of One who is almighty; they are simply works, or the natural results of the Messiah's presence among men; they are wonders, marvels, because of the effect produced on those who saw them.

[Traveler]

Thought I would put forth some thoughts.

I do not know what happened. I think it is possible that “world” has both intent and extent in meaning throughout the scriptures. I am not sure that “world” means the same to us as it did the ancients. And so we introduce a new word, global. This is a new term that was not used by the ancients. I am not sure it is wise to introduce new words and then say that the concepts are the same.

One thing I find most interesting. If Noah were to just takes samples of each species of worms known to modern man; that the Ark as described in scripture would not be big enough to accommodate all the worms. I think it is rather curious to believe in a “global flood” and that the account of the Ark is in every way complete and then to not believe in evolution – which would be the only way I know of to account for all the species currently alive. But then religious belief – does not require reasonable intelligence or thought.

I also find it most interesting that some claim there is no proof of the migrations described in the Book of Mormon to account for the ancients in America and then in the next breath say there was a flood at the time of Noah that destroyed all mankind except for Noah and his sons and their wives. The arguments against the Book of Mormon also disprove the Bible. I would think Christians that believe the Bible would not use such arguments.

The Traveler

[Abraham]

Scientists debate evolution also, and they are the same ones who say that since the dawn of time, there has never, never, been two snowflakes exactly alike. How hard is it to make two snowflake crystals exactly alike when compared to the double helix DNA molecule, not to mention the other miracles of life (See Alma "all thing denote there is a God") Alma 30:44. It was Reagan who said that he wanted to throw a huge banquet dinner, catered, etc, and invite atheists, then at the end of the meal ask, "Do you believe there was a chef?" Now what does that have to do with the flood. You can't always believe the Scientists especially when they contradict the scriptures Remember, the earth had to be baptized by water and is fulfilling the measure of its creation.

Here is the other side. How many survived the flood? Not eight. Did you know that the righteous in the days of Noah were translated before the flood. I know I have mentioned this before, but they exist with their physical bodies in the terrestrial paradigm, and there are many there. It was a common thing to be translated 'back in the day". The PH line had to come through Noah so he and his family had to stay behind. (See Alma 9:21 & Heb 11:5)

Don't believe everything that is so-called documented on the Discovery channel, they have much truth but not the whole truth. I am sure they discredit the resurrection also!

Abraham

[Moksha]

Both the Biblical flood and its predecessor in epic of Gilgamesh have symbolic truths that can be gathered from these allegories. For instance, you should prepare for a rainy day and let a smile be your umbrella.

[deblldo]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Remember, the term Earth may mean the area in which Noah was living. The biggest offense to GOD, as it was with Nimrod, the people collectivily lived in the same area and did not go forth and filled the Earth as commanded to Adam and Eve.

Hi,

quite true which is why a little research is necessary. I checked it out in a strongs concordance. There are actually two words used for the word earth in genesis 6, the one used the most seems to indicate "the WHOLE earth".

deb.

[richlittell]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Would all the earths require the same baptismal act? Do those of the lesser glory - namely the Telestial and Terrestial require to be baptized in order to receive that state of glory?

Have no idea, I do believe in the flood, because it is scriptural and we haven't received any revelations to discount or clarify the event. Whether it was regional or global is of no concern to me. I don't think there are any recommendations of baptism for things telestial or terristrial.

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by Moksha

...and let a smile be your umbrella.

Smile be your umbrella? Don't you mean, gather your loved ones about you and care for all God's creatures? Sheeesh!

[Heavenguard]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Thought I would put forth some thoughts.

I do not know what happened. I think it is possible that “world” has both intent and extent in meaning throughout the scriptures. I am not sure that “world” means the same to us as it did the ancients. And so we introduce a new word, global. This is a new term that was not used by the ancients. I am not sure it is wise to introduce new words and then say that the concepts are the same.

I agree with this standpoint. Looking at just how the language was, very poetic, many metaphors, significant (representational) numbers, etc., there is much that you can't read straight as literal text the way you would read a history book written in modern times. Just as we use hyperboles, so would the authors then. You might say that a concert hall was packed "with a million people", but of course no hall actually holds a million people. (That I know of?)

However, I would take the account of the flood to have flooded all that was known to the author. At that time, they certainly did not have a sense of the remote continents and would not even be able to mentally grasp that a flood would or could reach them.