Noah and the flood.....

[bytor2112]

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.
24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25 And he said, aCursed be bCanaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his aservant.
27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Noah is being abit harsh here...or am I missing something? Why curse anyone, much less Canaan?

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by bytor2112

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.
24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25 And he said, aCursed be bCanaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his aservant.
27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Noah is being abit harsh here...or am I missing something? Why curse anyone, much less Canaan?

Actually not since Canaan was rebellious and would not heed the living Prophet Noah. Who was it made mockering [accused] at Noah while in his wine? Ham! Let me remind you that Noah was a righteous man and he drank wine and became intoxicated. The Lord never did forsake him in consequence thereof and Noah retained all the power of his priesthood. When Noah was accused by Canaan, Noah cursed him by the priesthood which he held, and the Lord had respect to his word and the priesthood which he held; notwithstanding he was drunk, the curse remain for sometime thereafter.

Reference HC 4:445-46.

[bytor2112]

I thought it was Ham, the Father of Canaan that told his brothers and exposed his Fathers shame.....

[Hemidakota]

Yes! You are correct. Canaan is the son of Ham and Ham was the rebellious son. Canaan followed his father pattern.

[Snow]

Originally Posted by bytor2112

I watched a Discovery channel program about whether the Biblical account really occurred. They made a pretty compelling case that Noah could not have built the Ark nor could there have been a worldwide flood. There isn't and geological evidence to support the story of the worldwide flood. So, is the account literal or perhaps a retelling of a Babylonian disaster that has been recorded in the Epic of Gilgamesh and other epics?

There, obviously, was no worldwide flood, as described in the bible, that is a flood up to the tops of the mountains.

If anything, the earth was symbolically baptized by such a pervasive downpour that all the earth was coated with water at the same time, if only for a moment.

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by Snow

If anything, the earth was symbolically baptized...

I don't know about you, but my lawn is certainly up for a few sprinkles this weekend.

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by Snow

There, obviously, was no worldwide flood, as described in the bible, that is a flood up to the tops of the mountains.

If anything, the earth was symbolically baptized by such a pervasive downpour that all the earth was coated with water at the same time, if only for a moment.

Reminds me of the Catholic church with sprinkling the forehead and call it baptism.

Regarding the mountains tops speculation, unless we have written history or proof of such high-mountins did exist prior to deluge, I am open to anyone proving it. The earth as I told Steve Nelson [BYU] is not a static model. We simply don't know for now how these ranges or mountains came into being prior to new world of Noah since there is no known written history to examine. I even examine some of the writings of Enoch and still left unanswered.

[blamb]

The Bible says that in the days of Peleg the earth was divided (shortly after the flood). There very well could have not been very tall mountains when the deluge happened. See "Science and Mormonism" by Melvin Cook for one scientists viewpoint on the subject and some pretty interesting hypothesis on how it could have physically happened and also evidence of it having happened.

[Nappaljarri]

LOL, if we relied on man's philosophy and science to explain scriptural events, there could be cases left right and centre for nothing actually happening and it all being mystical. Some points going on from HiJolly and Vanhin.
1. When we are baptised, does it happen just in our head as a thought, or is it phyisical?
2. When we received the Gift of the Holy Ghost, did it happen just in our head, or did it physically happen with hands laid on head etc?
3. The gospel of Jesus Christ is taught by symbols that are physically manifest in our lives (I love the quote, which I cannot find right now that Pres Hinkley said in reply to "what is the symbol of your church?", he said, "its members are the symbol of the what the church teaches.... something physically manifest)
4. We are taught that we were and the earth and it's creations were all created spiritually and then physically. This is a pattern to me. That pattern continues in this earth life where we receive physically and then spiritually.

Putting that all together, I have a firm testimony that the flood actually happened physically. I have no doubt. But just like all scripture and doctrine, one must find out for themselves by prayer and obedience and fasting.

[Hemidakota]

Concur....Heavenly Father is not limited to our natural Laws [telestial state].