The Nation of Deseret

[FunkyTown]

Originally Posted by Elgama

I just think its folly to assume we are ready for this - if we were ready to have theocracy in Utah or elsewhere, then the First Presidency would be making moves for it to happen.

Until as Latter Day Saints we are ready we should not move forward with something like this or it could be opened up to serious corruption, which can in turn damage the church

-Charley

Actually, this argument has been around for a long time, in Jewish society. There are the Zionists (who believe that Israel must be built up) and Anti-Zionists (Who believe a variety of things, but the only really -relevant- belief is that God would reveal it if it were time to retake the holy land).

What's the answer? I don't know. I agree with A-train that the world aches for some kind of freedom from economic and spiritual bondage, but I agree with you that the brethren would tell us when that time is.

[deseretgov]

I'm not avoiding you guys. I've just gotten very busy. I'll read through the thread and post a response in a few days.

I sent an email to the Standing Chairman btw.

[gabelpa]

Originally Posted by deseretgov

I'm not avoiding you guys. I've just gotten very busy. I'll read through the thread and post a response in a few days.

I sent an email to the Standing Chairman btw.

Good to hear. I look forward to a spirited debate. I hope he's up for a challenge, because I am.

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by gabelpa

Good to hear. I look forward to a spirited debate. I hope he's up for a challenge, because I am.

I too am looking forward to a discussion of this important topic, in particular the role (if any) that LDS General Authorities would have in the development and operation of the proposed "Deseret Nation." The timing may be approaching for such an entity, but for it to have any legitimacy in my mind, the Senior Brethren would have to give it their blessing, even if quietly and unofficially in the beginning. Once that is done, there would be no shortage of perhaps highly qualified 'recruits', we love and trust the Brethren. But until then, I think it will remain a commendable dream.


These are exciting times for those who feel they've spent their life preparing to participate in the final events before the Millennium, my guess is that there are many.

This morning FoxNews.com is reporting the decline of America in the near future.

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Alarming government report predicts environmental catastrophe, threat of nuclear war and the decline of America as the dominant global power by 2025.

The next two decades will see a world living with the daily threat of nuclear war, environmental catastrophe and the decline of America as the dominant global power, according to a frighteningly bleak assessment by the U.S. intelligence community.

"The world of the near future will be subject to an increased likelihood of conflict over resources, including food and water, and will be haunted by the persistence of rogue states and terrorist groups with greater access to nuclear weapons," said the report by the National Intelligence Council...

"The international system will be almost unrecognizable by 2025, owing to the rise of emerging powers, a globalizing economy, a transfer of wealth from West to East, and the growing influence of non-state actors. Although the United States is likely to remain the single most powerful actor, the United States' relative strength -- even in the military realm -- will decline and US leverage will become more strained."


Report: U.S. Dominance and Influence Predicted to Fade - FOXNews.com Transition Tracker

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[Hemidakota]

We need to remember, the Priesthood governs all intelligence, elements, and life in general. Why fear over those who think they can raise their pony arm to GOD or those of Righteous?

[Elphaba]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Last part-7

That was fabulous Hemi!

Elphaba

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

We need to remember, the Priesthood governs all intelligence, elements, and life in general. Why fear over those who think they can raise their pony arm to GOD or those of Righteous?

True, but we know that non-members (non-LDS) will be included in the Kingdom of God government that will begin in the Rocky Mountains and will rule the entire earth with Jesus Christ at its head during the Millennium.

[Hemidakota]

That is expected.....

[Elgama]

Originally Posted by justamere10

True, but we know that non-members (non-LDS) will be included in the Kingdom of God government that will begin in the Rocky Mountains and will rule the entire earth with Jesus Christ at its head during the Millennium.

Although Jesus Christ holds the priesthood and from an LDS point of view I understand that means it is how he will govern

-Charley

[Hemidakota]

Thanks Charley.

What I was referring too, using an example, ever noticed lately a certain location where the average temp for this time of year has not approach winter but still seeing summer temps? How do you think this is done? Perhaps they will call it freakish weather pattern or blame El Nino? Scientists may conclude it was due to Global Warming. That is not the case. I would say otherwise. What does surprise me when a person declare event he will change, that the elements or power to be make it happen. That is only done through the power of the Priesthood....what? Someone altered the weather? This is possibility for those who hold this priesthood and more. Remember the Brother of Jared moved a mountain? Enoch did the same. Moses for the Red Sea or Peter walked across the water. Many more examples are listed throughout our captured scriptures or scrolls. We need to understand the real power here is not our military but the power of GOD through those who are called by HIM and can exercise it in righteousness.

One country can have all the military might possible but it is still nothing when GOD's power lies with HIS sent ones.