The Nation of Deseret

[Elgama]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Thanks Charley.



One country can have all the military might possible but it is still nothing when GOD's power lies with HIS sent ones.

I have always believed this about WW2 on paper the war should have been over in 6 months with the Germans the victor. They were better armed, better positioned etc, if that had happened Hitler would have had all he needed to go on to take the US.

However us humans can use priesthood power under the direction on the Saviour and I believe we are very capable of inncently misusing it which is why this Dessert Government concerns me in its current form, I am not convinced the Lord himself is behind it, if it was just a few people standing alone would be enough - look what the Church has achieved since 1830

-Charley

[Hemidakota]

Concur with your assumption. Looking back at prior night on D-DAY [WWII], Hitler decided to use a sleeping pill and none of his generals would dare to wake him. Noting Rommel as the Field Marshall, he was a great tactician of his time, if Hitler was woken and told of this event and Rommel sped back to Normandy with the reserves, this would had stopped the preparatory forces and the landing forces would have been cut-off and captured. I had played that scenario and proved my point several times as Field Marshal Rommel. It was quite amazing that to me, it was not just mere chance but divine intervention was at hand.

Without having any additional facts except what I have posted, there is no need for this type of organization to be stand up but only the church organization, which as you stated, works. This would be the government I would use when our national government fails or crumbles into debauchery.

[Elgama]

I agree so far with everything you say - I would not go for anythinglike this without the First Presidency Oking it and supporting it, whenever it has been used in the past they have spearheaded it.

I don't know why but the phrase unrighteous dominion came to mind when I read the website

-Charley

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by Elgama

I agree so far with everything you say - I would not go for anythinglike this without the First Presidency Oking it and supporting it, whenever it has been used in the past they have spearheaded it.

I don't know why but the phrase unrighteous dominion came to mind when I read the website

-Charley

I don't know any of them but my guess is that the founders of "Deseret Nation" are sincere good living people who feel they have a mission. But I'd like to learn more from their leader because it's a subject of much interest to me even though I share your concerns at this time. I think this thread would be a great place for them to respond to such concerns, and to promote their venture. I look forward to hearing from them.

[WANDERER]

I'm a tad confused reading through the history of it all...someone was proclaimed a king? Did I misread it?

[TeancumsSword]

What do they hope to really accomplish by this "Nation of Deseret", seeing it is in the desert and is outside the future walls of New Jerusalem?

[deseretgov]

I agree with most people's concern that without the approval of the first presidency this nation would have a very difficult time gaining acceptance. I hope the Standing Chairman will join us here, I haven't heard back from him.

I love the comments that have been made about the priesthood.

I do disagree that the church will be the governing body during the millenium. I'm not saying that the Nation of Deseret will be, I'm just saying that it doesn't seem to be an appropriate form of government. How will those who are not of our faith have representation in the church? There must be a way for them to participate in the governmental process.

I don't believe that when the Saviour returns there will be a big poof and everyone will be converted. There will still be other faiths. There will still be other nations. The church is equipped for a welfare role but it is not equipped for a legislative role, in relation to those who are not members of our faith.

I'll ask the SC if anymore efforts have been made in contacting the Church.

P.S. I just recieved the Nation of Deseret flag mug I ordered from cafepress. It's AWESOME!

[TeancumsSword]

Originally Posted by deseretgov

I agree with most people's concern that without the approval of the first presidency this nation would have a very difficult time gaining acceptance. I hope the Standing Chairman will join us here, I haven't heard back from him.

I love the comments that have been made about the priesthood.

I do disagree that the church will be the governing body during the millenium. I'm not saying that the Nation of Deseret will be, I'm just saying that it doesn't seem to be an appropriate form of government. How will those who are not of our faith have representation in the church? There must be a way for them to participate in the governmental process.

I don't believe that when the Saviour returns there will be a big poof and everyone will be converted. There will still be other faiths. There will still be other nations. The church is equipped for a welfare role but it is not equipped for a legislative role, in relation to those who are not members of our faith.

I'll ask the SC if anymore efforts have been made in contacting the Church.

P.S. I just recieved the Nation of Deseret flag mug I ordered from cafepress. It's AWESOME!

Have you ever read "The Book of the Law of the Lord" by James J. Strang?

[deseretgov]

Nope. Can't say I have.

[Old Tex]

Originally Posted by TeancumsSword

Have you ever read "The Book of the Law of the Lord" by James J. Strang?

Do you mean the James Strang who claimed to have succeeded Joseph Smith, set up his church on an island, and proclaimed himself king?

James Strang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia