Becoming gods - Page 4

a-train · #31 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Interested

This is true. I take into account, however, that since I don't believe God has ever procreated, that Jesus is his only begotten son. We are sons through adoption.

So if then through the Blood of Jesus and by adoption the children of men are become the sons of God, heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ, sitting in the throne of God with Him and crowned with the glory, the purity, the perfection, and the very appearance of God, what is left for us to deny?

If it is nothing more than the word "god", you can have it. What does a man raised to such an exalted status require of this faulty collection of but three english letters? Indeed, it is not the Mormons who so often mention this blessed state "godhood", but it is most often referred to by them as "exaltation" which is indeed the word of Jesus when speaking of the very subject of the order of His Kingship over His Kingdom. For He said: "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." (Matt. 23:12)

Call the missionaries, get with your LDS friends and stop kicking the pricks. Take the discussions and read the Book of Mormon. Learn of the truthfulness of the Restored Gospel and enjoy it. This message is not one of rejection, but a call to come forth.

-a-train

KristofferUmfrey · #32 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 12:42 AM

I think this from the Philadelphia Church of God best expresses my ideas on the subject (although I may not agree with all their teachings...)

Literature | theTrumpet.com

KristofferUmfrey · #33 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by a-train

So if then through the Blood of Jesus and by adoption the children of men are become the sons of God, heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ, sitting in the throne of God with Him and crowned with the glory, the purity, the perfection, and the very appearance of God, what is left for us to deny?

If it is nothing more than the word "god", you can have it. What does a man raised to such an exalted status require of this faulty collection of but three english letters? Indeed, it is not the Mormons who so often mention this blessed state "godhood", but it is most often referred to by them as "exaltation" which is indeed the word of Jesus when speaking of the very subject of the order of His Kingship over His Kingdom. For He said: "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." (Matt. 23:12)

Call the missionaries, get with your LDS friends and stop kicking the pricks. Take the discussions and read the Book of Mormon. Learn of the truthfulness of the Restored Gospel and enjoy it. This message is not one of rejection, but a call to come forth.

-a-train

I can agree with at least one thing a-train said...

Read the Book of Mormon!

When you know it's true, then we can discuss where to go from there. There are plenty of options to explore for a Book of Mormon Believer.

a-train · #34 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I believe we will become perfected in our capacities but we will never become a God, because there is only one. We will assist Him in His work, but we will never be what God is.

Instead of responding to the other post in another post I will respond to you other post to me here...

Yes, He is Lord over those set up as lords and King over all who would be called kings. Now I DO believe we will be Lords and Kings in the Kingdom of God (it is called a Kingdom for a reason) as the NT teaches. But that will in no way make us what God is.

Why? Why is He the King of real kings, the Lord of real lords, but not the God of real gods? What is a god?

And what is God? Is He not a man raised to immortality? Did He not come forth from the womb of woman and grow from infancy to manhood as any other? Did He not suffer the pains of human mortality? Was He not perceived to be so plainly human that his own people rejected Him in Nazereth? Did He not eat and drink and work as any other man? Did He not die and come forth from the grave in a glorious resurrection? Did He not eat with the apostles after He was so raised from the grave? Did they not feel the flesh and bone of His literal physical body? Does He not sit enthroned in yonder heavens in glory and immortality?

What is the great difference between His species and ours? Some have imagined that He only took up the form of man in an effort to communicate with us. These suggest that this form is not His natural shape or image. Why then does the scripture say that man was made in the image of God? This must mean that God has an image and that it is the image of man.

All of these efforts to mystify and glorify God in some philosphical mind trick are foolishness. The scriptures are plain. Do not believe these philosophers and their extra-biblical theories. The LDS belief in the raising of man to the throne of God is not extra-biblical. It is explicitly biblical. And the revelations from Jesus Christ to Joseph Smith only confirmed what was already written.

Satan is a cunning and crafty lier. His first and foremost work is to deny God and to deny man's ability to approach God. He wants us to deny our Heavenly Heritage. He wants us to doubt the literal corporeal nature of God. He wants us to deny the blessings of God which he will never receive. That is his very work. The scriptures are certain on the notion that man is God's offspring whose ultimate capabilities are only fulfilled in ascending to God's throne to sit in it with Him.

-a-train

a-train · #35 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I think this from the Philadelphia Church of God best expresses my ideas on the subject (although I may not agree with all their teachings...)

Literature | theTrumpet.com

Do you believe that Mr. Armstrong receives modern revelation? Do you believe that the spirit of man is not distinct, but one great spirit for all men?

-a-train

KristofferUmfrey · #36 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 12:58 AM

I believe that trying to bring God down to our position is also dangerous. I don't believe in some mystical "something but nothing" "here but not" being, but I also do not believe in a "once mortal" "progressed to His position" God either.

I believe God has always been God and we were created in His image spirit and body, but that we can never become what He is. He is IT the ultimate, there never has been and never will be one like Him.

KristofferUmfrey · #37 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by a-train

Do you believe that Mr. Armstrong receives modern revelation? Do you believe that the spirit of man is not distinct, but one great spirit for all men?

-a-train

Well, Mr. Armstrong is dead, so no.

But I do believe he was inspired in some of his teachings.
I believe we each have individual spirits, and that the Holy Spirit unites all covenant believers with the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ (Lectures on Faith)

Interested · #38 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 01:07 AM

I'm reading it definitely. It may bring me some secular and philosophical insight, but I am and will always be a staunch Non-Denominationalist.

a-train · #39 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 01:09 AM

Unfortunate but true: Non-Denominationalism is a denomination.

-a-train

Interested · #40 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 01:10 AM

Hehe. I suppose it is. It doesn't matter to me.