Becoming gods - Page 5

a-train · #41 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 01:13 AM

No matter a man's paradigm, it is classified and catalogued. If it can't be, then it is mere psychosis, which of course has been heavily classified and catalogued.

-a-train

Interested · #42 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 01:15 AM

I have put a label on you, therefore you are what I say you are. That it was it sounds like to me....

I'm not trying to argue here... except to say it sounds like people are getting angry.

YoungMormonRoyalist · #43 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 01:41 AM

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Romans 8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

What this? :/
This only says we get to sit on the Throne with him.

:P It refers to verse seventeen, where it says that we are heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ. What did Christ inherit? Everything the Father has. What will we inherit? Everything the Father has.

There's that verse that says (and I'm paraphrasing this bad boy): What child shall ask for bread and his father giveth him a stone?

If we are truly the children of God, what good father would deny his children everything he has? God created us not only that we might love and serve him, but that he may love us and share with us every good attribute, ultimate love and eternal compassion, and a full understanding and knowledge of our priesthood and potential.

Interested · #44 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 02:03 AM

Well... I don't get it where it would say we would get everything Jesus has. You could kind of squeeze that out of that passage I suppose. But its a stretch. We would definitely get what verse 17 says... but "Join heirs with Christ" sounds alot more like receiving his authority and the rights to the throne of God.

I don't see where that would make us gods except in a figurative sense like Satan is the god of this world.

a-train · #45 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Interested

I have put a label on you, therefore you are what I say you are. That it was it sounds like to me....

I'm not trying to argue here... except to say it sounds like people are getting angry.

?

-a-train

KristofferUmfrey · #46 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 08:58 AM

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I'm reading it definitely. It may bring me some secular and philosophical insight, but I am and will always be a staunch Non-Denominationalist.

"Reading it" as in intending to? Because (not to be rude) believing the Book of Mormon may offer "secular or philosophical insight", shows me you have not read it yet. When you do I believe you may be greatly surprised that it is much different then you believe or have been taught.

Here's a non-denominational Book of Mormon believing site for you to ponder also:

http://www.bomchristian.com

Justice · #47 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 10:52 AM

We don't even need to open the Book of Mormon...

John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Where was there ever a son that could not become like his father?

The telling thing about this scripture is that it does not say Christ does all the work for you. In fact, it says He gives us the ability to become. Still, without this gift we cannot become, so Christ is responsible. But, without something from us we cannot become, just the same.

It is what we become by believing in and following Christ. There IS a result. That is what Christianity has always been about.

This is one of the truths that is caught and not taught. The words are there but one can't comprehend them until they are ready to.

Dr T · #48 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 11:33 AM

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Do you not believe that we shall be the sons of God, that we shall be like Him, that we shall be as pure as He is?

-a-train

I am a son of God.

be like him in what sense?

NO, not as pure as God but if you're talking about how he sees us, throught the work of Christ then I'd agree that he sees us as pure because of that but "As God"-no

Interested · #49 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

"Reading it" as in intending to? Because (not to be rude) believing the Book of Mormon may offer "secular or philosophical insight", shows me you have not read it yet. When you do I believe you may be greatly surprised that it is much different then you believe or have been taught.

Here's a non-denominational Book of Mormon believing site for you to ponder also:

http://www.bomchristian.com

I'm reading some of it. I haven't gotten far.

YoungMormonRoyalist · #50 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested

Well... I don't get it where it would say we would get everything Jesus has. You could kind of squeeze that out of that passage I suppose. But its a stretch. We would definitely get what verse 17 says... but "Join heirs with Christ" sounds alot more like receiving his authority and the rights to the throne of God.

I don't see where that would make us gods except in a figurative sense like Satan is the god of this world.

Actually, that's exactly what it's ment to sound like. It is recieveing his authority, it is recieving rights to a throne 'like' Gods. Not the throne of God. Heavenly Father's plan is to give those who suceed in turning to Christ everything he has, everything he knows, and everything he teaches.

Uhh...I don't want to be a figurative god like Satan.