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KristofferUmfrey · #91 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HiJolly

You might want to consider that there are some beautiful and profound truths that are specifically and in all righteousness, NOT in the scriptures. That's what the temple endowment is to help us with.

HiJolly

I have been through the endowment and am glad you find the experience worthwhile. I do believe however the commitments you make in the endowment ceremony are the same commitments you make upon entering the waters of baptism, and there is not any new teaching not found in scripture, aside from the parts which we won't discuss out of respect for privacy.

HiJolly · #92 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I have been through the endowment and am glad you find the experience worthwhile. I do believe however the commitments you make in the endowment ceremony are the same commitments you make upon entering the waters of baptism, and there is not any new teaching not found in scripture, aside from the parts which we won't discuss out of respect for privacy.

I'm not talking about the covenants. And there surely IS something not found in scripture there in the instruction given. But that's not even what I'm talking about -- the endowment is instruction that as we apply it in our lives, provides to us that which NO (mortal) MAN can convey. It is the key, not the thing itself.

HiJolly

KristofferUmfrey · #93 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HiJolly

I'm not talking about the covenants. And there surely IS something not found in scripture there in the instruction given. But that's not even what I'm talking about -- the endowment is instruction that as we apply it in our lives, provides to us that which NO (mortal) MAN can convey. It is the key, not the thing itself.

HiJolly

And I happen to disagree. I believe the daily study of scripture brings to light and shows the importance of the promises you make in the temple just as well as the ceremony does.

The instruction are something completely different, but as I said I won't discuss those or my feelings on them out of respect for the members here.

Hemidakota · #94 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Truegrits

I have. Not all marriages can be saved. If one of them breaks their marriage covenants, and is not willing, or even interested in counseling, repentance...and fasting and prayer have brought no change of heart...what other recourse is there?

Concur and I would expect the Spirit to notify the Bishop to do so.

Elphaba · #95 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ceeboo

Is that really a course ?

No, but it should be. Maybe I’ll start one.

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What degree would that be in?

Bachelor of Boring
Master of Matters of Fact
PhD in Purposeful Pithiness

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How many credits is it worth?

All you want if you let me talk a lot.

Elphie

HiJolly · #96 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I have been through the endowment and am glad you find the experience worthwhile. I do believe however the commitments you make in the endowment ceremony are the same commitments you make upon entering the waters of baptism, and there is not any new teaching not found in scripture, aside from the parts which we won't discuss out of respect for privacy.

Ether 13: 13
13 And I was about to write more, but I am forbidden; but great and marvelous were the prophecies of Ether; but they esteemed him as naught, and cast him out; and he hid himself in the cavity of a rock by day, and by night he went forth viewing the things which should come upon the people.

3 Nephi 17: 15-17
15 And when he had said these words, he himself also knelt upon the earth; and behold he prayed unto the Father, and the things which he prayed cannot be written, and the multitude did bear record who heard him.
16 And after this manner do they bear record: The eye hath never seen, neither hath the ear heard, before, so great and marvelous things as we saw and heard Jesus speak unto the Father;
17 And no tongue can speak, neither can there be written by any man, neither can the hearts of men conceive so great and marvelous things as we both saw and heard Jesus speak; and no one can conceive of the joy which filled our souls at the time we heard him pray for us unto the Father.

HiJolly

KristofferUmfrey · #97 (**permalink**) 11-20-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HiJolly

Ether 13: 13
13 And I was about to write more, but I am forbidden; but great and marvelous were the prophecies of Ether; but they esteemed him as naught, and cast him out; and he hid himself in the cavity of a rock by day, and by night he went forth viewing the things which should come upon the people.

3 Nephi 17: 15-17
15 And when he had said these words, he himself also knelt upon the earth; and behold he prayed unto the Father, and the things which he prayed cannot be written, and the multitude did bear record who heard him.
16 And after this manner do they bear record: The eye hath never seen, neither hath the ear heard, before, so great and marvelous things as we saw and heard Jesus speak unto the Father;
17 And no tongue can speak, neither can there be written by any man, neither can the hearts of men conceive so great and marvelous things as we both saw and heard Jesus speak; and no one can conceive of the joy which filled our souls at the time we heard him pray for us unto the Father.

HiJolly

I believe the first verse is speaking of information that will be contained in the Sealed Portion. And I'm sure many of the things from the 2nd verse will be there also. I know you want to tie these things to the endowment of your church, but I just don't see the connection. Somethings are just so wonderful that to try and repeat them or write them down wouldn't do the event justice.

Hemidakota · #98 (**permalink**) 11-21-2008, 08:22 AM

Despite the marvelous prophecies and teaching of Ether to his people, he was rejected and his words were "trampled under foot". His people, like Mormon's, world not hear and heed his words, so he was left to witness and record their destruction from a cave. [I was about to write more, but I am forbidden] Moroni desires to include in his abridgment more of the great prophecies of Ether, but is constrained by the Spirit from doing so. We are left to wonder what he would have included and why he was forbidden to do so. The record is silent on both accounts, but possibly it has to do with a trial of faith (see 3 Nephi 26:9-11). In conclusion, I would suspect since we have inherited the writings from those of old, it may be us that is foreseen by Ether. May had witnessed some future events but told not to write it.

Saints today may see what shall come and role playing buy name of future leadership but are forbidden to hear what is being taught [see it only] or not allow to write it.