Do you really concur with these statements?

[SeattleTruthSeeker]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I just go with the topics as they come up. Ben R.'s "good enough for me." statement about Elder Oaks and white shirts prompted my current wave of conversation. If you don't like it, don't participate.

Actually, the request for the validity of your sources is being asked. Why are you having a hard time stating where you received your sources?

Are you honestly afraid that by relinquishing your sources to be verified and checked out you are going to be proven in error of your argument? If this is the case, then actually the one who needs to remove themselves from the conversation is the one who started the conversation to begin with.

You made an accusation and now that the proof of that accusation is being requested, the source where this information is coming from is being requested and not granted shows the lack of honesty and ability to carry out an intellectual conversation to begin with.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Let us try some honesty again. Your avoidance of direct questions leaves me to wonder what you are trying to hide. So I will ask my questions again.

Question 1: How many volumes of the Journal of Discourses have you read (where exactly did you get your quote?) I doubt it was from reading all 26 volumes of Journal of Discourses.

Question 2: Where did you obtain “Ward Teaching” material that is currently out of publication? Again I doubt you got it from any LDS publication, maybe some web site?

Since “Ward Teaching” material is out of publication I would like to know how you checked out the validity of that quote. I would like to check out “your sources” - the real ones.

The Traveler

I wasn't aware you really intended for me to answer your obviously ridiculous questions. Have I read the entire JOD? No
I have them at my disposal to check the context of any given quote.

Do I have access to old "out of publication" Ward teaching materials? No (and I never claimed I did)
Have I read said Ward Teaching materials? No

Where did I find the quote? I remembered it from various things I've read through the years googled it and copied and pasted the first site that quoted it. I have no clue what the site was.

I have nothing to hide.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by SeattleTruthSeeker

Actually, the request for the validity of your sources is being asked. Why are you having a hard time stating where you received your sources?

Are you honestly afraid that by relinquishing your sources to be verified and checked out you are going to be proven in error of your argument? If this is the case, then actually the one who needs to remove themselves from the conversation is the one who started the conversation to begin with.

You made an accusation and now that the proof of that accusation is being requested, the source where this information is coming from is being requested and not granted shows the lack of honesty and ability to carry out an intellectual conversation to begin with.

The sources are included with the quotes.

[bmy-]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I just go with the topics as they come up. Ben R.'s "good enough for me." statement about Elder Oaks and white shirts prompted my current wave of conversation. If you don't like it, don't participate.

Or you could realize that it is a shallow argument and you would be better off addressing doctrinal issues if you actually intended to interact and learn from the discussion.. (Apologies if you weren't being snarky. Alot of your posts seem full of frustration.)

To answer your question:

When the prophet speaks I give it serious consideration. I can't imagine very many instances where we [the Prophet and I] would not come to the same conclusions. It's a non-issue. He seems to have a good track record for giving advice.

[KristofferUmfrey]

I admit, I shouldn't have opened this topic. As I stated in my "A Bit Overbearing" topic, I apologize, and will tone it down, and will try to focus on doctrinal disagreements using the Bible and Book of Mormon as my guide.

If Pam wants to shut the topic down, she can have at it.

[Elphaba]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I just go with the topics as they come up. Ben R.'s "good enough for me." statement about Elder Oaks and white shirts prompted my current wave of conversation.

I don't buy it. The way you worded your OP is straight out of "Anti-Mormon 101."

If you don't like it, don't participate.

Obviously the reason I did participate is because I don't like it. We do things like that here.

Elphaba

[MarginOfError]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

I just go with the topics as they come up. Ben R.'s "good enough for me." statement about Elder Oaks and white shirts prompted my current wave of conversation. If you don't like it, don't participate.

Once again, reading the reference in question might help you understand something. Elder Oaks quoted Elder Holland in this October's Conference. You can read the entire talk. Ben's comments referred to the explanation for why Priesthood holders wear white shirts to officiate in the Sacrament. This was not done by way of commandment. It was done by was of suggestion, and rationale for the suggestion was given. Again, perhaps you should try reading the source.

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

Where did I find the quote? I remembered it from various things I've read through the years googled it and copied and pasted the first site that quoted it. I have no clue what the site was.

I have nothing to hide.

So now I'm supposed to trust your incredible memory for all of the context of this quote. For some reason I'm having a hard time conjuring up that level of trust.

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by KristofferUmfrey

Two cities? What's the other one besides Enoch? (which could be a whole other discussion, but I'll defer)

No problem....the other city was called Salem...where the current Jerusalem is located today. These were the same individuals [members of that city] who visited Abraham and was told to save Lot and others from the five cities of the plain.

[KristofferUmfrey]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

No problem....the other city was called Salem...where the current Jerusalem is located today. These were the same individuals [members of that city] who visited Abraham and was told to save Lot and others from the five cities of the plain.

Hemi-
Could you please provide the verses that show the city was translated?

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Elphaba

I don't buy it. The way you worded your OP is straight out of "Anti-Mormon 101."


Elphaba

Hi ya Elphaba,

Is that really a course ?

What degree would that be in ?

How many credits is it worth ?

Thanks for the answers that are coming soon

Peace,
Carl