Christ-like?

[Aesa]

Well then that makes us all prophets.
Christ didn't elevate the first 12 over any others, as far as I understand it.
It was only that God appointed them as leaders, yeah?

[Elgama]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Well then that makes us all prophets.
Christ didn't elevate the first 12 over any others, as far as I understand it.
It was only that God appointed them as leaders, yeah?

Not if you use the full standard works (which you did say you had read), Peter was President of the Church (same position Joseph Smith held - which makes his actions comparable)- made him a prophet, seer and revelator, likewise other apostles. I am not a Christian have no desire to be so am not restricted to the bible as my only source of revelation on the matter.

Everybody is entitled to revelation for themselves and their calling.
-Charley

[Misshalfway]

In the LDS understanding, the 12 are special witnesses of Christ. They are "set appart" from the world and elevated ( if you want to use that word) to lead the church after he left the earth. They are given important revelation and in this case personal witness of Jesus and his divinity and the truth of his gospel. How else could they testify to the world that Jesus was risen?

For LDS people, the twelve are essential to the original organization of Jesus Christ's church. We have them today as part of our leadership. We believe that without their special preisthood authority and priesthood "keys" they would be just as everyone else. But they have a special mission and power to perform that mission. For the rest of us, it is up to us to follow them and we can receive our own witness of the truth -- even a personal visit from the Savior if one is worthy of such a sacred experience.

[Aesa]

Peter was President of the Church (same position Joseph Smith held - which makes his actions comparable)- made him a prophet, seer and revelator, likewise other apostles. I am not a Christian have no desire to be so am not restricted to the bible as my only source of revelation on the matter.

Where is the scripture to say Peter was the president? I can understand the interpretation of that part of scripture in that sense, but could you be more clear by quoting?

I actually don't know any Christians (we're talking born again/saved) who take the Bible as the only authority. We believe in personal revelation from God too.

[Elgama]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Where is the scripture to say Peter was the president? I can understand the interpretation of that part of scripture in that sense, but could you be more clear by quoting?

I personally never quote scripture on a debate thread, it is sacred to me and I personally view it as casting my pearls - however the Doctrine and Covenants Section you require is the one where Peter passes on the keys to Joseph Smith - he could do that because he had been the President of the Church and held them.

I actually don't know any Christians (we're talking born again/saved) who take the Bible as the only authority. We believe in personal revelation from God too.

I know a lot who do elevate the Bible above God. When your a Latter Day Saint you get to see that side of people a lot more than you do as a standard Christian.

_Charley

Originally Posted by Aesa

I actually don't know any Christians (we're talking born again/saved) who take the Bible as the only authority. We believe in personal revelation from God too.

Hi Aesa,

So you have not met any of the 36 million " sola scripture " Christians in the USofA ??

[Misshalfway]

We believe in personal revelation from God too.

Then you shouldn't have any problem with visions and dreams and ministering angels and Jesus himself showing his body to a boy in a grove of trees. Revelation is revelation and is always a gift from the Holy Ghost. Sometimes the answers come in our feelings as we awaken to truth. Sometimes we are shown the truth. This is the essence of spiritual knowledge it is the origins of the bible in the first place. Revelation is much more of foundation of Christianity than even the bible. And I must say there are many of the born again persuasion that feel the bible is the last and final word.

[Aesa]

Well not, I'm not of the USA.
Scripture is infallible, and the true word of the living God.

I personally never quote scripture on a debate thread, it is sacred to me and I personally view it as casting my pearls - however the Doctrine and Covenants Section you require is the one where Peter passes on the keys to Joseph Smith - he could do that because he had been the President of the Church and held them.

Well, I was actually talking Biblical scripture ... which D/C # is that?

[Aesa]

Then you shouldn't have any problem with visions and dreams and ministering angels and Jesus himself showing his body to a boy in a grove of trees. Revelation is revelation and is always a gift from the Holy Ghost. Sometimes the answers come in our feelings as we awaken to truth. Sometimes we are shown the truth. This is the essence of spiritual knowledge it is the origins of the bible in the first place. Revelation is much more of foundation of Christianity than even the bible. And I must say there are many of the born again persuasion that feel the bible is the last and final word.

Visitation isn't revelation,
I do believe that the revelation in the Bible is the final word of God for these times.
However, I do believe in personal revelation --- but for things like recieving an answer from God to a prayer ... being called by the spirit to create a ministry, etc,.

[Elgama]

Here is a discussion on Peter, James and John as the First Presidency has the scipture references

LDS.org - Ensign Article - The First Presidency of the Early Church: Their Lives and Epistles

-Charley