"Second coming"?

[Elgama]

Originally Posted by Aesa

I don't believe you worship him.
The Joseph is not God comment was not meant to insinuate that, I apologise if it did.
I have read quite a bit of the book of mormon, so I wouldn't consider myself an unkowing outsider.
I've also read the gospel principles.

This is not the Standard Works - Standard Works is Old Testament (KJV if you are an English Speaker), New Testament (KJV), Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price.

-Charley

[Elgama]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Sorry, I just made my post my clear.

There is just a problem with this whole vision.
What about the divering stories?

OK so now its a vision - to me they do not matter, there is one thing in the story that is consistent I have personal experience of, I know the truth of it through that.

Why is there more than one version of the crucifiction? Why do the gospels tell stories differently? Why are there 2 versions of the creation story?

Only difference between first vision and what is in the Bible is several thousand years, and the advent of the printing press. Willing to bet there were more versions of all of the stories in the Bible at some stage. Either verbal or written, there are still differences today between different English Translations of the bible

-Charley

[Kirajo]

Joseph Smith was a prophet and if you can't humbly pray asking if that is true and using HIM as your confirmation (not us), then until then, perhaps this discussion doesn't need to go further.

[Misshalfway]

Regardless of the semantics, I hope it is clear that LDS people believe that visions and visitations happen that that a visit or vision from the Savior himself does not discredit the promise of the second coming in any degree. Jesus will come to rule on reign on the earth in glory again. Not in the humble circumstances of his first visit. And until then, he will and does show his body to prophets and others. This is LDS belief. It appears you believe differently. Your original question was to understand how we (LDS) reconcile it. I hope you can see that for us, there is nothing to reconcile. Only a pattern of revelation that is to be understood and followed. I understand that you do not see visions and revelation as the same thing. Fine. We as LDS see all communication from the heavens as revelation. I am confused as to how one could separate them or discount visions or dreams or angels as not being revelation.

[goofball]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Where is Stephen in the Bible -- that's the only thing I'm not clear on here...

Acts 7:55-60 talks about the stoning of Stephen and Stephen seeing the heavens open up and him seeing "Son of man standing on the right hand of God." (New Testament | Acts 7:56)

To help me understand your position are you saying the Christ had not yet ascend to heaven when He visited Thomas who many know as doubting Thomas. That was 8 days after He told His apostles "Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you."(New Testament | John 20:21) Do you think he did not ascend to His Father at that point and was somehow bound here on earth until He as Luke said in his last chapter that he was carried up into heaven?

You must understand that many on this board, myself included, like to see references not a blanket statement saying that the Savior is not supposed to return until the world ends. Where in the scriptures does it say this. Also you must understand that people interpret what the Bible says in many different ways, hence the many denominations.

As for those of the LDS faith we believe in living prophets, and we believe the Lord Jesus Christ leads the Church and can frankly visit whenever He feels it is necessary. I would not be so bold as to put restrictions on what the Son of God and Savior of the World can and cannot do.

[Aesa]

Can you show me similar threads then?
I'd like to read them.

Just wanted to pop in and say hi to everyone.


HI !!!!

[goofball]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Can you show me similar threads then?
I'd like to read them.

Who are you addressing?. Maybe I missed something there.

[Elgama]

Originally Posted by ceeboo

Just wanted to pop in and say hi to everyone.


HI !!!!

How very nice to see you

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Aesa

I wanted to make a topic of discussion about the Second coming of Jesus Christ.

Jesus is not supposed to return until the world ends, so if he returned to Joseph Smith the world should have ended ... since he returned. This is in the scriptures.

So, how do mormons reconcile this?

How do you reconcile Acts 9:4 - 5?

The Traveler