"Second coming"?

[Aesa]

Even the 4 Gospels disagree as to timing and events, and none of the 4 are comprehensive, and they all use different language and wording. In my estimation, that doesn't mean any of the epistles are fasle, or as a better comparison here, that all the books of the Bible are all false together because the 4 gospels are not in complete harmony.

This is actually not the case, at least not to any decent extent, if you really look into it they show amazing harmony.

[Hemidakota]

If we dig hard enough through the Vactican vaults, we may find the other missing 8 accounts.

[Kirajo]

Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla BLA.

[Elrond]

Christs second coming has nothing to do with visions seen by people after his resurrection or ascencion. It means when he comes in glory with the armies of heaven. Scripture makes a very clear distinction. Jesus can appear to as many as he will and even appear physically, but until he comes in the full glory and power as described in Revelation his second coming hasn't happened yet.

[Aesa]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

If we dig hard enough through the Vactican vaults, we may find the other missing 8 accounts.

Well, if they lived long enough to write them.
And it's almost certain that the Vatican doesn't have them, they would have no need to hide something like that becuase they could use it to authenticate their "church".

[Hemidakota]

Are you really sure?

[Aesa]

Ofcourse I am sure.
What basis do you have for even saying the catholic church was the first church to begin with, and then even further that they hold other ancient biblical documents that none know about?

[Wingnut]

Chill out. Hemi was being facetious.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Ofcourse I am sure.
What basis do you have for even saying the catholic church was the first church to begin with, and then even further that they hold other ancient biblical documents that none know about?

One interesting fact that more Christians should be aware of is that when Communism fell apart in Russia - among the religious treasures documented and turned back to the Eastern Orthodox Church were New Testament documents that dated back to the 1st century.

I was personally involved with some of my Orthodox friends to get these documents available to all Christians. As it turns out no documentation was released - not even a list of what scripture texts were involved. Many of us feel that these documents would be as or more important than the Dead Sea Scrolls. I would also point out the Catholic Church made attempts to keep 50 of the Dead Sea Scrolls from becoming public but an accident ended up getting all 50 missing documents sold on microfiche in 1993 that got the documents published.

History indicates that traditional Christians have not been straight forward in disclosing the manuscripts that were available - and valuable documents that were genuine like the Book of Enoch and the Testaments of the Patriarchs claimed that they were medieval counterfeits. Which because of the Dead Sea Scrolls we now know was absolutely not ture.


The Traveler

[Heavenguard]

Two few points I'd like to bring up:

The book of Mormon teaches that Jesus did indeed appear in the flesh - and not just in a vision - post-ascension: he appeared among the Nephites in America. I have no sort of conclusion to this matter, I just wanted to point it out, since nobody else had.

Next, the differences in the gospels can't be compared to the differences in Joseph Smith's accounts, as four different people wrote the gospels, and Joseph Smith is the single source of his accounts.

If four people were to tell exactly the same story four times, the logical conclusion is that they collaborated together to concoct (or at least "iron out the details of") the story. This is an understanding that police and investigators use to catch falsehoods in alibis. Conversely, I would have to agree that the differences between the appearances of an angel, Jesus, and Jesus and God are very major points of differences. It's not quite the difference of 'there were three guys sitting at the table across from me' and 'actually, there were four'. Its the difference between 'a heavenly host' and 'the Creator of the universe'.