Rough Stone Rolling

[MarginOfError]

Originally Posted by HiJolly

I was fortunate to hear a lengthy presentation on this last year, from a DNA researcher and Grad student. His name is Ugo Perego and his presentation was called Joseph Smith's DNA Revealed: New Clues from the Prophet's Genes . It was really, really good.

He said that they have done the research on all but 3 or 4 of the claimed decendents of JSJr. and none except the children of Emma have come up positive for Joseph's DNA. Not even Josephina Lightener, who had been considered my many to be his physical daughter, due to the evidence. But no...

I loved the book. I think it is very accurate. I would have liked more material on the 'peep stone'/money digging pre-trial hearing, in the book.

The more I learn about Joseph, the more I love the man. What an inspiration.


HiJolly

I've not read Rough Stone Rolling, but from reading History of the Church I was able to gather that Smith was a very arrogant, stubborn, and magnificently flawed man. I was often disappointed in his actions. Seeing the flaws actually increased my testimony of him as a prophet. He always got the doctrines right. He always got the principles right. He always got the intentions right. Sometimes his execution was poor. But every time I read the doctrines that he taught, I feel that they are true. Only a prophet could be that flawed and always teach true doctrine.

[Maya]

Here is the search of josephs DNA from "his kids" this is a few years a go. Sorry cant remember where I got this. I also listened to Ugo he is a great guy!

Josephine Lyon (Birth: February 8, 1844)
Mother: Sylvia Sessions Lyon
Father: Windsor Lyon

Zebulun Jacobs (Birth: January 2, 1842)
Mother: Zina Huntington Jacobs
Father: Henry Jacobs

George Algernon Lightner (Birth: March 22, 1842)
Mother: Mary Rollins Lightner
Father: Adam Lightner

Oliver Buell (Birth: 1838 – 39)
Mother: Presendia Huntington Buell
Father: Norman Buell

Orson Washington Hyde (Birth: November 9, 1843)
Mother: Marinda Johnson Hyde
Father: Orson Hyde

Frank Henry Hyde (Birth: January 23, 1845)
Mother: Marinda Johnson Hyde
Father: Orson Hyde

Moroni Pratt (Birth: December 7, 1844)
Mother: Mary Ann Frost
Father: Parley P. Pratt

John Reed Hancock (Birth: April 19, 1841)
Mother: Clarissa Reed Hancock
Father: Levi Hancock

Joseph Smith is NOT the father of Moroni Pratt.

Joseph Smith is NOT the father of Zebulon Jacobs.

Joseph Smith is NOT the father of Fanny Alger's claimed descendancy.

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by MarginOfError

I've not read Rough Stone Rolling, but from reading History of the Church I was able to gather that Smith was a very arrogant, stubborn, and magnificently flawed man. I was often disappointed in his actions. Seeing the flaws actually increased my testimony of him as a prophet. He always got the doctrines right. He always got the principles right. He always got the intentions right. Sometimes his execution was poor. But every time I read the doctrines that he taught, I feel that they are true. Only a prophet could be that flawed and always teach true doctrine.

Not arrogant. Stubborn, yes. Flawed, yes. Never arrogant.

Perhaps 'defiant with attitude' would be a good word instead of arrogant. The statements he made that are seen by some as arrogant were not, IMO.


HiJolly

[bytor2112]

Not arrogant.......pridefully confident, maybe.

[MarginOfError]

No. Arrogant is definitely the word I would use. There were many moments where he thought he could do no wrong, and then would rationalize poor behavior when he was called on it. It took a awful lot to convince him to use the words, "I made a mistake." I'm pretty sure that counts as arrogance.

[Palerider]

I read the book and I thought it was awesome. I do not think he was arrogant. This book did not hurt my testimony at all. If anything I feel it helped to strengthen it even more. Joseph Smith was not perfect and indeed made mistakes. Wow, he was human....I know one thing, I could not have gone thru and served as he did in his calling. I now have the book titled Joseph Smith Papers in front of me. When I am finished reading this other book I have about Nauvoo then I am on to that book. I hope some of you will read the book Rough Stone Rolling.
One other series of Lectures that are awesome about the Prophet is the Truman Madsen lecture series.

[Moksha]

Originally Posted by ceeboo

Not being a member, I would be SHOCKED if 95% of LDS members do not know this.

Not arguing, just struck me as a VERY high percentage.

Peace,
Ceeboo

We are a prophetic and sheltered people. But hey, look on the bright side - there is a lot to learn.

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[rockwoodchev]

One of the things that Bushman mentions in his interview with Dehlin, but I'm not sure it is in the book itself, is how well done the Brodie work is. I have to agree with him after working my way through much of her book. Many people call it "Anti Mormon", but I don't really get that. It feels to me that any book written by a member of the church is "OK", but if the same material is written by a non/ex mo than it must be "Anti". I just have not found that to be the case.

Has anyone here read Fawn Brodie "No man knows my History"?

[Bookmeister]

Where do I find out more about the giant pink elephants?

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by rockwoodchev

One of the things that Bushman mentions in his interview with Dehlin, but I'm not sure it is in the book itself, is how well done the Brodie work is. I have to agree with him after working my way through much of her book. Many people call it "Anti Mormon", but I don't really get that. It feels to me that any book written by a member of the church is "OK", but if the same material is written by a non/ex mo than it must be "Anti". I just have not found that to be the case.

Has anyone here read Fawn Brodie "No man knows my History"?

Brodie was LDS. I think her 1st edition was better without all the psycho-stuff she added later. Reminds me of Michael Moore's Bush "documentary" on 9/11----- "What was Bush thinking? Was he thinking 'I need to get a haircut.'?" (sigh)

No doubt she is a good writer, though.


HiJolly