Word of Wisdom - one more time...

[ztodd]

Hopefully they were just kidding with you, even if they were doing it poorly.
My wife's vegetarian, and I'm not a picky eater, I'll eat all sorts of things. She makes some pretty darn good veggie dishes.

You probably shouldn't preach to everyone that they're murdering animals for food - that probably gets them all defensive. Just quietly set an example.

[tory]

Well, normally I'm not the preachy type. I keep quiet, but if I get attacked I get defensive and then start preaching Here I just wanted to vent about that sunday school lesson that was brought up.

[FunkyTown]

Originally Posted by tory

Well, normally I'm not the preachy type. I keep quiet, but if I get attacked I get defensive and then start preaching Here I just wanted to vent about that sunday school lesson that was brought up.

I hope you don't feel attacked all the time. Being Vegan is a choice and I think it's great that you've decided to be Vegan. I make a mean vegan Chili.

But I also love myself a hamburger!

[Dravin]

Originally Posted by RobertP

Being one who has some kind of negative reaction to wheat and being made aware it is among the top 4 allergens, I don't really get to say what I think or ask for ideas along the lines of my experience in class. Wheat for man, right? Right. Allergy schmallergy, you just don't understand the scriptures properly. It isn't as cool to me as it is to most because of that and trouble with fruits. On the other hand it presents an interesting puzzle. Thankfully I don't have to eat wheat like I have to avoid coffee.

Wheat is for man, you're just broke. :P (This is a joke)

I look at it like fasting, we are supposed to fast but some, such as diabetics can't just go 24 hours without food, they'll slip into a coma and die. And I truly believe the lord understands and accepts our desire and action to live his law as closely as we can given the physical limits of our mortal (and thus flawed bodies).

Besides, its talking about whole wheat, I imagine a lot of members don't eat any more whole wheat flour than you do (me likes whole wheat personally).

That particular Sunday was my least favorite Sunday of all because I got attacked by everyone for being a vegan .

Being Vegan is not required by the WoW, you can be such if you want but I've run into a those who feel its demanded by it, which it most certainly isn't, don't know if your the type though. For the record eating a 72 oz steak every night for dinner not only isn't demanded is against it, so I do understand where you are coming from. Sparingly is a sticky issue though, most eat meat sparingly compared to a lion, but I don't think that's what the Lord meant.

Also, if you actually do talk about killing animals for food as murder that's gonna get some looks and possibly some fingers, both the law of the land and the lord do not feel killing and eating an animal is murder. Strong stances and emotionally charged language tends to beget the same.

I'm curious, why vegan and not just vegetarian? Unfertilized eggs don't suffer any and are a good source of protein, same with cheese and milk. I imagine it's something about the conditions in which they are produced but you can get them from other sources than the mass produced stuff and in the end that has nothing to do with nutrition.

[tory]

Originally Posted by Dravin

Being Vegan is not required by the WoW, you can be such if you want but I've run into a those who feel its demanded by it, which it most certainly isn't, don't know if your the type though.

No, I don't think that veganism is required by the WoW. However, I do think that D&C 49:21 requires me to be a vegetarian given the circumstances I have right now. Living in a developed town where I have no problem getting any kind of food I want, I would be lying to myself, to God, and to everyone else if I said that I "need" to kill animals (or pay someone else to do it for me).

Originally Posted by Dravin

I'm curious, why vegan and not just vegetarian? Unfertilized eggs don't suffer any and are a good source of protein, same with cheese and milk. I imagine it's something about the conditions in which they are produced but you can get them from other sources than the mass produced stuff and in the end that has nothing to do with nutrition.

Yes, one of the reasons I'm vegan is the conditions in which these products are produced. I could buy "free range" stuff, but you can't always trust this sticker, plus it's more expensive. And no matter whether it's a "free range" "happy" cow/chicken or a factory farm one, in the end they all end up on someone's table. So, by eating eggs/milk I would be supporting the meat industry.
Also, I don't want all the stuff that's in milk/eggs like fat, cholesterol, hormones, blood, pus, etc. entering my body. It's not good for me and simply gross.

[Seanette]

To our vegan poster, your choice of rhetoric (calling killing animals for food, which is authorized by the Lord, "murder" and using deliberately emotionally charged language such as "corpses") IS going to antagonize a lot of people, since that rhetoric makes you sound like you're passing a rather mean-spirited moral judgment on them, and willfully ignoring Scripture you don't like (the D&C 49 citation) doesn't help.

To me, you really do sound a bit self-righteous on the subject, and that does create some antagonism. (I'd say that even if I agreed with your basic position, although I don't, being an omnivore.)

[Dravin]

Originally Posted by tory

Also, I don't want all the stuff that's in milk/eggs like fat, cholesterol, hormones, blood, pus, etc. entering my body. It's not good for me and simply gross.

Fat is a part of a healthy diet, just don't over do it (besides plants have fat, case in point: vegetable oil), cholesterol in moderate amounts is fine, and plants contain hormones, blood is simply a collection of digestible fluids (its mostly water), some solid matter and iron.

Can't argue with you on gross, that's in the eye of the beholder.

[rameumptom]

Originally Posted by tory

Also, I don't want all the stuff that's in milk/eggs like fat, cholesterol, hormones, blood, pus, etc. entering my body. It's not good for me and simply gross.

Blech! BTW, you can find many things like that in the vegetables you eat, also. Worms, fungus, snails, etc., all have their little party in every vegetable garden around. Imagine all the eggs that are laid, spider webs, bugs and bug parts that end up in every salad you make. After all, when they harvest fruits and veggies, there's lots of nasty little things that get incorporated into your meal.

BTW, if you are eating an occasional spider egg, daddy long leg, or amoeba, does that mean you are eating (gasp!) meat?????

At least they are free range....

[tory]

Originally Posted by Seanette

To our vegan poster, your choice of rhetoric (calling killing animals for food, which is authorized by the Lord, "murder" and using deliberately emotionally charged language such as "corpses") IS going to antagonize a lot of people, since that rhetoric makes you sound like you're passing a rather mean-spirited moral judgment on them, and willfully ignoring Scripture you don't like (the D&C 49 citation) doesn't help.
To me, you really do sound a bit self-righteous on the subject, and that does create some antagonism. (I'd say that even if I agreed with your basic position, although I don't, being an omnivore.)

Like I said before, I just wanted to vent about that particular Sunday. I'm the one who was being attacked; so, naturally, I got defensive. I would agree with everything you said if I was the one starting to argue. I do use emotionally charged words, but only after being called "an apostate" or "ungrateful of God's creatures". Usually, people get all worked up seconds after learning that I'm vegan.They start quoting that scripture without understanding the meaning of it. That scripture is not against vegetarianism, but against requiring people to be vegetarians as the Shakers did. So, I actually love that scripture just as the one after it that talks about "no need"

[rameumptom]

We use tobacco, alcohol, coffee and tea as the lowest common denominator for baptism and the temple.

Then, each member is encouraged to develop their spiritual selves, and prepare to live the WoW and other commandments at higher levels, as they prepare themselves. Line upon line, precept upon precept.

In this way, none of us has to start out with the commandment, "Be ye therefore perfect" and know we've already failed the test.