Word of Wisdom - one more time...

[tory]

Originally Posted by rameumptom

Blech! BTW, you can find many things like that in the vegetables you eat, also. Worms, fungus, snails, etc., all have their little party in every vegetable garden around. Imagine all the eggs that are laid, spider webs, bugs and bug parts that end up in every salad you make. After all, when they harvest fruits and veggies, there's lots of nasty little things that get incorporated into your meal.
BTW, if you are eating an occasional spider egg, daddy long leg, or amoeba, does that mean you are eating (gasp!) meat?????
At least they are free range....

LOL I actually wash my vegetables really well before eating them to make sure there's no eggs and webs. Don't you? And I cut off all the black spots/dots and peel them if possible (e.g. cucumbers, apples, etc.)
Yes, I do eat an occasional free-range bug, but there's nothing I can do about it. I'm vegan, but there's no such thing as 100% vegan. 100% vegan is a dead one All I can do is try to eliminate animal/insect suffering to the extent possible.

[tory]

Originally Posted by Dravin

Fat is a part of a healthy diet, just don't over do it (besides plants have fat, case in point: vegetable oil), cholesterol in moderate amounts is fine, and plants contain hormones, blood is simply a collection of digestible fluids (its mostly water), some solid matter and iron.
Can't argue with you on gross, that's in the eye of the beholder.

Yes, but I don't want any animal fat in my diet. I'm not a nutritionist or anything to say what amounts of different fats we need, but I know 7 people (my grandfather's lifelong friends) who have been vegetarians for 20-40 years now and they have no health problems and look and feel way better than other people of their age. And then I see people getting heart attacks, strokes, and other things because of the animal fat and cholesterol they consumed their whole lives. So, I better stick with "good" fats and oils from plants (olive oil, coconut oil, avocado, nuts).

[Bob_Blaylock]

Originally Posted by Dravin

Being Vegan is not required by the WoW, you can be such if you want but I've run into a those who feel its demanded by it, which it most certainly isn't, don't know if your the type though.

This is specifically addressed in the scripture. See D&C 49:18-19.

18· And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;
19· For, behold, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is ordained for the use of man for food and for raiment, and that he might have in abundance.

Originally Posted by Dravin

For the record eating a 72 oz steak every night for dinner not only isn't demanded is against it, so I do understand where you are coming from. Sparingly is a sticky issue though, most eat meat sparingly compared to a lion, but I don't think that's what the Lord meant.

I've heard or read somewhere that it was a common belief in Joseph Smith's time that the best diet for humans was one that consisted almost entirely of meat. Grains and vegetables were eaten primarily because a meat-only diet was prohibitively expensive for many people; but if you could afford it, you were likely to eat mostly meat. Compared to that, most modern Americans do eat meat “sparingly”. I do not know for certain that this is true, but it does make sense.

Somewhat more obvious is a characteristic of meat, with regard to the statement encouraging the use of meat “only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.” Meat spoils easily, and can become quite toxic when it spoils. Before modern refrigeration and other modern preservative methods, it was safer and healthier to eat meat when the weather is cold than when it is hot.

[Just_A_Guy]

Originally Posted by tory

Also, I don't want all the stuff that's in milk/eggs like fat, cholesterol, hormones, blood, pus, etc. entering my body. It's not good for me and simply gross.

But yummy. Oh, so delectably yummy.

[tory]

Originally Posted by Just_A_Guy

But yummy. Oh, so delectably yummy.

Not to me. I think almond milk is the best and chocolate almond milk....and vanilla...As for the eggs, I used to love them, but now I don't miss them at all.

[Loudmouth_Mormon]

So, up at the start of this thread, I mentioned the following:

Originally Posted by Loudmouth_Mormon

I think many teachers may also shy away from some of the parts because it will devolve the class into an arguement about whether the Lord hates vegans or not.

LM
(He doesn't, in my opinion...)

I notice this thread has now become a big arguement about whether the Lord hates vegans or not, by fighting over a section of the D&C that isn't even in the Word of Wisdom in the first place..

So, Mr. Original poster, do you see why a teacher might want to overlook some parts of the WoW, and focus on "don't drink and do drugs"?

LM

[anatess]

Originally Posted by Loudmouth_Mormon

So, up at the start of this thread, I mentioned the following:
I notice this thread has now become a big arguement about whether the Lord hates vegans or not, by fighting over a section of the D&C that isn't even in the Word of Wisdom in the first place..

So, Mr. Original poster, do you see why a teacher might want to overlook some parts of the WoW, and focus on "don't drink and do drugs"?

LM

Ms. OP, that is. :-)

But, the thread digressed. I was trying to make the comparison of one-beer-a-day getting denied entrance to the temple while 100-slices-of-pizza-a-day can walk in as they please...

[Seanette]

Alcohol is addictive, and can lead to the user harming those around him/her (trust the daughter of a violent alcoholic on this one). I'm not sure how a "live on pizza" type is likely to, while under the influence of pizza, turn violent toward family members, crash his/her car, lose judgment sufficiently to engage in sexual indiscretions, etc. (Side note on DUI car crashes, from police: the DUI driver is more likely to walk away than his/her victim.)

Tobacco can also have detrimental effects on people who have to be in the same room with a smoker (and smokers do have a higher risk of setting the house on fire). Addictive, too.

Tea and coffee don't much impact the people around the user, granted, but can be addictive (this from someone who really needs to cut down her caffeinated soft drinks, I must confess).

Also, all the above-named substances can be rather expensive, for negligible at best health benefits, and the resources involved in producing and consuming them could very likely be better directed into more beneficial items.

I'm not too inclined to start hyper-analyzing why the Lord has set the standards He has, since I trust Him to know what's best, what with that omniscience deal. I do worry that things like Mountain Dew and chocolate may wind up on the prohibited list, but if that happens, I'll suck it up and obey.

[ztodd]

Originally Posted by anatess

Ms. OP, that is. :-)

But, the thread digressed. I was trying to make the comparison of one-beer-a-day getting denied entrance to the temple while 100-slices-of-pizza-a-day can walk in as they please...

Yes, I would agree that is an irony.

But how would you propose the church should change the temple requirements?

[anatess]

Originally Posted by Seanette

Alcohol is addictive, and can lead to the user harming those around him/her (trust the daughter of a violent alcoholic on this one). I'm not sure how a "live on pizza" type is likely to, while under the influence of pizza, turn violent toward family members, crash his/her car, lose judgment sufficiently to engage in sexual indiscretions, etc. (Side note on DUI car crashes, from police: the DUI driver is more likely to walk away than his/her victim.)

Tobacco can also have detrimental effects on people who have to be in the same room with a smoker (and smokers do have a higher risk of setting the house on fire). Addictive, too.

Tea and coffee don't much impact the people around the user, granted, but can be addictive (this from someone who really needs to cut down her caffeinated soft drinks, I must confess).

Also, all the above-named substances can be rather expensive, for negligible at best health benefits, and the resources involved in producing and consuming them could very likely be better directed into more beneficial items.

I'm not too inclined to start hyper-analyzing why the Lord has set the standards He has, since I trust Him to know what's best, what with that omniscience deal. I do worry that things like Mountain Dew and chocolate may wind up on the prohibited list, but if that happens, I'll suck it up and obey.

But, my point is, the entire D&C 89 is supposed to be a commandment now. The Lord set the standards not only for Tobacco and Alcohol but for proper consumption of food as well. He did not say, verses 5 through 9 is a commandment, the rest is just suggestion.

I agree with you on the effects of alcohol and tobacco and caffeine to society. But, I also submit the effects of an unhealthy eating habit is just as detrimental to society, especially in an age of universal healthcare.

Case in point:
My father-in-law has Type 2 diabetes. It is not genetic, it is nothing but a result of being 100 lbs overweight. He used to drink half a gallon of soda a day. His family suffers for his choice of nutrition both emotionally and financially. Of course he has a temple recommend and held stake leadership positions.

On the other hand:
Just because a person drinks doesn't make them abusers. Go to Italy and France and you'll see what I mean. Wine is part of the meal. My entire Catholic family are responsible social drinkers. My dad works at a beer company. There is no way they can get baptized LDS unless they forsake social drinking. Regardless of whether they are of perfect health, no tendencies of abuse, without any addictions, and in good financial standing.

I am not saying that alcohol and tobacco should be allowed. I'm saying, I don't understand the double-standard of scripture interpretation.