The Godhead & Grief

OneEternalSonata · #1 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 07:07 PM

How many believe the Godhead grieve? I believe they do.

My Dad and I were discussing this topic. He believes since he is saved by grace, and is covered by the blood of Christ, that God never grieves when we sin.

I believe the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as well as the heavenly host, do grieve for us when we sin, when we're hurt or afflicted, or any other situation that would call for it.

Any thoughts?

Dr T · #2 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 07:30 PM

I agree with you 1eternalsonata. Why would your father think otherwise? I think it does grieve God. Maybe he's talking about after forgiveness because of Jesus then the sin has been forgotten as far as the east is from the west thing. Hmmm...That's a good question. I think God is hurt by it other wise He would not have instructed us to "sin no more" and to more Christ-like. In the end I'd still say it grieves Him since we are going against Him in whatever way. He still wants us to be reunified with Him and wants us to sin less. We are to be sanctified and I think we can walk in the spirit and show good fruit but I do not buy the Nazarene theology of being able to be without sin.

Seanette · #3 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 08:56 PM

In the book of Moses, we see God weeping over human wickedness. Also, in several places in Scripture, God laments over human unwillingness to be gathered to Him.

OneEternalSonata · #4 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 09:42 PM

Excellent thoughts. Thanks to you, Dr. T, I appreciate your insight. Could you give verse references, Seanette?

Seanette · #5 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 10:13 PM

OK, see Moses 7:28-40 for the reference to God weeping.

As for lamenting unwillingness to be gathered in, I'm sure there are some I've missed, but here's three: Matthew 23:37, Luke 13:34, and 3 Nephi 10:5.

ruthiechan · #6 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 11:18 PM

In Jacob the Lord of the vineyard weeps for his vineyard, weeps for us, when we go astray. What loving father would not grieve when their child does wrong? On the other hand, a loving father rejoices when their child does right.

Traveler · #7 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OneEternalSonata

How many believe the Godhead grieve? I believe they do.

My Dad and I were discussing this topic. He believes since he is saved by grace, and is covered by the blood of Christ, that God never grieves when we sin.

I believe the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as well as the heavenly host, do grieve for us when we sin, when we're hurt or afflicted, or any other situation that would call for it.

Any thoughts?

I believe the greatest grief to G-d are those that know of his grace, know his commandments, know that the will of G-d is not to sin - have all this knowledge and go a head and trun their back on all of the knonwledge and G-d himself and sin anyway. It is my impression that the greatest pain that the Christ suffered was for the sins of those that know better and sin against the full light and knowledge of that very G-d - then with carefree glee say it is all just dandy because they are saved.

The Traveler

Dr T · #8 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 12:38 AM

But that's not true Traveler. A true Christian would not just have carefree glee and say it is all just dandy because they are saved. That's where you are wrong. That does not sound like true Christian at all.

dnc76v22 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr T

But that's not true Traveler. A true Christian would not just have carefree glee and say it is all just dandy because they are saved. That's where you are wrong. That does not sound like true Christian at all.

When he lived, Martin Luther did not agree with you.

OneEternalSonata · #10 (**permalink**) 07-04-2009, 10:54 AM

Thank you, Seanette! You've quoted some favored verses of mine.

Traveler, I believe you gave me more insight to my dad's point of view, thank you!