Jesus and other worlds

[mandii]

Okay, so I know that LDS doctrine teaches that there are other worlds that are inhabited by people. I also read somewhere (although I can't remember where, so it may or may not be true lol) that the church teaches that Jesus is the savior of ALL worlds.

So my questions are:

1) Is it true (according to LDS teachings) that Jesus is the savior of all worlds, or only Earth?

2) Did Jesus visit other worlds or just Earth? And if he visited other worlds, did he have to be crucified and ressurected to save the people of other worlds? Or was his one crucifixion and ressurection on Earth sufficient to save all children of God in this world and others?

Thanks in advance!

[allredcon]

Just our world was evil enough to crucify him, when he died for us, he also died for the other worlds. anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. but that's what I remember.

[jadams_4040]

Originally Posted by mandii

Okay, so I know that LDS doctrine teaches that there are other worlds that are inhabited by people. I also read somewhere (although I can't remember where, so it may or may not be true lol) that the church teaches that Jesus is the savior of ALL worlds.

So my questions are:

1) Is it true (according to LDS teachings) that Jesus is the savior of all worlds, or only Earth?

2) Did Jesus visit other worlds or just Earth? And if he visited other worlds, did he have to be crucified and ressurected to save the people of other worlds? Or was his one crucifixion and ressurection on Earth sufficient to save all children of God in this world and others?

Thanks in advance!

Very deep meat indeed! And i dont think there is anything that completely cements the questions yu ask. some interprit scripture to say that Jesus is over "all" creation, {under the fathers direction} but does that mean he is the saviour of all other worlds? personaly i dont beleive so; There are planets out there more than there are grains of sand on this earth;
If the worthy are to become Gods; then we will be perfected as Jesus and become as he is; not "the" God but "a" God; with billions of planets to be watched over, So on it goes!

[allredcon]

Oh, and where I found my answers: Mormon Doctrine, by bruce R mckonkie. And Jesus the Christ. Look up Atonement and crucifixion.

[martybess]

Does not the BOM teach the it was an infinite atonement?

[martybess]

From the Doctrine & Covenants, Religion 324 and 325 LDS Institute Student Manual:

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D&C 76:24. Worlds without Number Were Created by the Lord
Elder Bruce R. McConkie, commenting on Jesus as the Creator, said that â??our Lordâ??s jurisdiction and power extend far beyond the limits of this one small earth on which we dwell. He is, under the Father, the Creator of worlds without number. (Moses 1:33.) . . .

Those who have ears to hear, find this doctrine taught in the following scripture: [D&C 76:20-24].

In addition to the plain meaning of this passage, we have an explanation of it given by the Prophet Joseph Smith. He paraphrased, in poetical rhyme, the entire record of the Vision, and his words covering this portion were:

??. . . And I heard a great voice bearing record from heaven,
Hes the Saviour and Only Begotten of God;
By him, of him, and through him, the worlds were all made,
Even all that careen in the heavens so broad.

(McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 65-66.)


Moses 7:36 says this:

36 Wherefore, I can stretch forth mine hands and hold all the creations which I have made; and mine eye can pierce them also, and among all the workmanship of mine hands there has not been so great wickedness as among thy brethren.

2 Nephi 10:3 adds this

3 Wherefore, as I said unto you, it must needs be expedient that Christ-for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name-should come among the Jews, among those who are the more wicked part of the world; and they shall crucify him-for thus it behooveth our God, and there is none other nation on earth that would crucify their God

D&C 76
41 That he came into the world, even Jesus, to be crucified for the world, and to bear the sins of the world, and to sanctify the world, and to cleanse it from all unrighteousness;
42 That through him all might be saved whom the Father had put into his power and made by him;
43 Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition..

Resurrection -By Robert J. Matthews Ensign 1991 April

Amulek on the Resurrection

Amulek adds some important points to our understanding of the resurrection. Of the Son of God, Amulek says: “He shall take upon him the transgressions of those who believe on his name; and these are they that shall have eternal life, and salvation cometh to none else.

“Therefore the wicked remain as though there had been no redemption made, except it be the loosing of the bands of death; for behold, the day cometh that all shall rise from the dead and stand before God, and be judged according to their works.

“Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised. …

“The spirit and the body shall be reunited again … and we shall be brought to stand before God, … and have a bright recollection of all our guilt.

“Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous … [and they shall] be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit … to be judged according to their works. … I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption.” (Alma 11:40–45; italics added.)

We note particularly that Amulek says the spirit and body will never be separated again. Resurrected beings cannot die again. They cannot be reincarnated. The question sometimes arises, Is Jesus the Savior of other worlds? The answer is yes. Did he suffer and die and become resurrected on those other worlds? The answer has to be no. If that had occurred anywhere else, it could not have occurred here. A resurrected being cannot be separated in his spirit and body, as this scripture teaches us, so if Jesus had been resurrected on an earlier world, he could not have been born on this world, nor could he have been crucified and resurrected again. Will the sons of perdition be resurrected? Yes. Will they die a physical death again? Not according to this passage of scripture we have just read. They will be separated from the presence of God, which is to say they will suffer spiritual death, but as far as we know, they cannot die a physical death again.


-Marty

[mandii]

Thank you all for your answers!

Martybess, you gave great scriptural references. Understanding that resurrected beings can not die a physical death again is key to my understanding of Christ's atonement.

Allredcon, it's funny that you mentioned the book Mormon Doctrine because I was just about to borrow that from a local library. I'm guessing since you referenced it that it contains lots of valuable information. I wasn't sure because many LDSaints recommended it and others said to stay away from it because it would be too complex for someone who has just begun investigating the church.

[allredcon]

Mormon Doctrine is a great book, it has LOTS of great answers. BUT take it with a grain of salt! haha. It was written by an apostle, not a prophet. Some of it may just be "the gospel according to Bruce R. McConkie." But it's a great reference to use. Also, I recommend reading Jesus the Christ by James Talmage. Fantastic book, I'm just diving into it myself before I leave. Good luck

[Misshalfway]

"Mormon Doctrine" the book is NOT the gold standard for true mormon doctrine. The brethren actually chastized Bruce R for the book and even he himself said it was only his best knowledge at that time and that modern revelation would trump it.

And with regards to Jesus and other worlds, the truest answer is that we really don't know. When it gets added to the canon, then we can say we have an official position on something.

[mnn727]

Originally Posted by allredcon

Mormon Doctrine is a great book, it has LOTS of great answers. BUT take it with a grain of salt! haha. It was written by an apostle, not a prophet. Some of it may just be "the gospel according to Bruce R. McConkie." But it's a great reference to use. Also, I recommend reading Jesus the Christ by James Talmage. Fantastic book, I'm just diving into it myself before I leave. Good luck

Actually he was not an Apostle when he wrote it, and he was told to change a number of things. In fact he was originally told to withdraw it from print.

Frankly, the book, while interesting, is N-O-T Mormon doctrine no matter what he named it. If you want to learn actual LDS Doctrine, this is NOT a book I would reccomend.