For all those genealogy lovers out there :)

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Luke - the Greek Heathen, chairman for the gentiles and women - I love Luke.

Here is a question for you – why are the genealogies of Jesus given by Mathew and Luke different?
Luke 3:23 Joseph the son of Heli – Matthat – Levi – Melchi – Janna – Joseph …
Mathew 1: Joseph the son of Jacob - Matthan - Eleazar - Eleazar - Eliud

I know the answer, I was just wondering if anyone else did Just fun trivia.

23 And aJesus himself began to be about bthirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of cJoseph, which was the son of Heli,
24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of aPhares, which was the son of bJuda,
34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of aAbraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of aSem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the ason of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of bAdam, cwhich was the son of God.

(New Testament | Luke 3:23 - 38)

here is Matt:

1 THE book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2 aAbraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat bJudas and his brethren;
3 And Judas begat aPhares and bZara of Thamar; and Phares begat cEsrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and aNaasson begat Salmon;
5 And Salmon begat aBooz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat aSolomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to aBabylon:
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat aZorobabel;
13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16 And Jacob begat aJoseph the husband of bMary, of whom was born cJesus, dwho is called eChrist.

(New Testament | Matthew 1:1 - 16)

Luke's ends - son of Adam, the son of God, Luke wanted everyone to know Jesus was a son of God... (Greek person not worried about Jewish King David - Luke chapt 3 after God states "this is my Son"...)

Mathew (Jewish) does not trace anything back to Adam/God, just to Jewish King David

here is a hint as to the differences... consider that Luke wrote about women more than any of the other gospels (which is why I love Luke ...
Joseph was not the real father of Jesus, so why does Matt trace the lines of Joseph?

Luke starts out - Joseph "supposed" father of Jesus... then he points to another, proceeds to trace a different line, the real bloodline of Christ, connecting the real parents of Jesus.

Luke chapter 3 - after Jesus is announced as the "son of God" after being baptized. Luke gives the bloodline - showing everyone who the parents of Jesus really are . The Jewish apsostles vs. the gentile Greek... Some would do well to listen to the gentile.

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I’m sooo impatient – everyone give up? Don’t read farther if you want to figure it out on your own.

OK – so here is the account – Jesus is baptized, a voice from heaven states “this is my son”, then Luke attempts to teach those there what “this is my son” really means – so he states a little sarcastically Jesus the “supposed” Son of Joseph – he uses the word “nomizō” – see Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Supposed – no no - states Luke, not the Son of Joseph, I’ll give you the real parents of Jesus. He then gives the genealogy of Mary – not Joseph – and culminates with “Son of God”! One way of trying to tell everyone that Jesus was a child of Mary and God, not Mary and Joseph.

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Here is where things get even more interesting – and what I would really like the thread to be about…

Son of Adam, son of God… interesting to trace things back to God don’t you think?
Consider this, Mary is not the only one who can trace her line back to Adam, back to God Himself…. Everyone is a literal grandchild of Adam – and therefore a literal grandchild of God. We talk about being “spirit” children of God… I think we are more than just His spirit children, I think we are all His literal descendants.

Some say God has no grandchildren, only sons and daughters – beautiful sentiment that there is no such thing as an inherited testimony… I would disagree with the part about God not having any grandchildren though.

[Seminarysnoozer]

In my mind, I keep earthly genetic lines separate from being God's spirit children because of the fall.

I love genealogy and I wonder about any additional significance to completing genealogy lines back to Adam and Eve more than just doing work for the dead. I've always wondered if it has to do with the resurrection process of returning everything back to the original creation. If one can trace their line all the way back to Adam, then God has the exact reverse steps to turn ones body back into the original creation knowing all the degrading steps to arrive at our current state. The biggest change, I think, is the change from the pre-fall Adam to the post-fall Adam. I would think that change was so great that it is hard to call that tracing all the way back to God.

My feeling (not anything revealed in the gospel as of yet) is that we are literal spirit children of God, but the body, both the immortal body and the mortal body have to be created. At a minimum I don't think God can create from scratch a mortal body because I don't think he can make something that fails without there being a fall and a savior. For lack of a better metaphor right now, our bodies here are the cheap disposable Hallloween costume version of the real thing. And if that is the case (I don't know) then we can't really trace our physical lines back to God. I tend to believe the pre-fall Adam and Eve physically could not have children, not just because they had not been exposed to knowledge of good and evil. Then, if that is true, we are the 'grandchildren' of the post-fall Adam and Eve and not 'grandchildren' of the pre-fall Adam and Eve and therefore unlinked 'genetically' or in a physical sense to God. This allows us to maintain that God does not create or beget any unclean, corrupted thing which is what we are in our current state, Jesus being the exception, of course.

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Originally Posted by Seminarysnoozer

I love genealogy and I wonder about any additional significance to completing genealogy lines back to Adam and Eve more than just doing work for the dead. I've always wondered if it has to do with the resurrection process of returning everything back to the original creation.

I like that idea

Consider this:

In multicelled animals most DNA is silent (dormant). Neo-Darwinists call it "junk DNA," assumed to be the leftovers of previous evolution.

No one calls it “junk” anymore, far from it. No one knows all of the information this DNA holds. Many of the evolutionary changes can be attributed to awakening this silent DNA – the white moths which turned black to match soot as an example, they turned blck – not through a mutation, but through an awakening of silent DNA – they already had the instructions for how to be black inside them, it simply needed to be awakened out of dormancy.

Another interesting thing, this silent DNA has been perfectly preserved over thousands of years in it’s original form. Errors/mutations that happen are corrected through heterosexual reproduction. Chances are, both parents will not get the exact same error in the exact same place – each fills in the gaps/errors of the other, providing their children with a better set of silent DNA than themselves.

Why Sexual Reproduction? by Brig Klyce

“Among the working genes of sexually reproducing creatures, gene conversion can alter one version of a gene to match the other version. A defective gene can be edited to match the nondefective version of the gene by this process.”

So what is this silent DNA? What instructions does it hold? Where did we get it from? What happens when it is awakened?

Just speculation, but I think that when Adam ate the fruit, a few of his genes were put into sleep mode – info for a perfect being was still there, it was just asleep / inactive / dormant … Perhaps humans are translated by a reawakening of the Genes they inherited from Adam?

Anyways, I think there is more to our old bag of bones body then first meets the eye…

Kind of cool why sex is needed... I mean survival of the fittest, why "evolve" to need sexual reproduction? why not just let everyone split in two like the single celled organisms - without the need of a partner? We fill in one another's genetic gaps, that's one reason why.

[Seminarysnoozer]

I think a lot of "junk DNA" is for regulating coding regions and we just haven't figured out how that all works yet. Sometimes these regions are only used in specific situations like when the temperature drops, new proteins are made to support the cells under certain circumstances. I think this is interesting too, but I think its kind of like getting instruction from an IKEA box, after you've read the instructions in english all the other pages aren't required, unless you don't speak english then they are there.