Where are the plagues?

[LDSChristian]

I know people have tried to use Revelation 22:18-19 to disprove the Book of Mormon. If we violated those verses where are our plagues? Simple, it comes from the common mistranslation we all see people have in regards to Revelation 22:18-19.

I'm thankful for the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

[LDS_Guy_1986]

Originally Posted by LDSChristian

I know people have tried to use Revelation 22:18-19 to disprove the Book of Mormon.

This is one of three verses that get thrown out against the Book of Mormon. The other two are Deuteronomy 4:2 and Galatians 1:8.

These are all poor claims because the Book of Mormon does not violate any of these scriptures, I will discuss each briefly as I understand them:

Revelations 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

There are two claims made against the LDS Church in regards to this scripture:

1) The Book of Mormon violates Rev 22:18 by adding to the Bible.

This is incorrect for 2 reasons first is that the BoM complements not adds to the Bible. Second it that this verse does not refer to the Bible it refers to the Book of Revelations look at the Apostle Johns exact words "the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things," his warning and curse is upon those that add or remove from the Book of Revelations not the Bible which is a Volume of 66 Books.

It is interesting though that the Apostle John would add such a powerful warning to those who seek to alter the Book of Revelations! Most other Christians believe that the Bible is inerrant and God prevents people from making changes to is through translation error and mistakes in the 1000 years the Bible was hand copied. So I like to point to that if the Bible was thought to be inerrant to the Apostle John why did he make such a grave warning to those who sought to change it?

2) The Joseph Smith Translation adds to the Book of Revelation meaning Joseph Smith is cursed by the plagues of the Book of Revelations.

Another crazy and obviously incorrect claim for two reasons. First Joseph Smith was never cursed with the plagues of the Book of Revelations, an obvious proof that he did not add to the Book (and a direct support for our claim that the Holy Bible has been subject to error)

Second, is that he never added to the Book of Revelations, the JST is restoring things removed from the Book of Revelations by accidental (translation error, copying error) or intentional (omission) motives. Those who accidentally removed from Revelations will hopefully receive mercy from Christ and not have there names removed from the Book of Life, those who may have done this intentionally have rejected the Holy Ghost and are unforgivable in this life or the next. Either way Joseph Smith inspired translations did not add to the Book or Revelations it only restored lost parts to it. Restoring something that was there in the first place is not an addition to the Book of Revelations!



Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

This falls under the same general issue of the Rev 22:18-19. People incorrectly assume that "the word which I command you," is the entire Bible (which did not exist at the time this or Revelations was written). The word which is commanded is the law of Moses found in the Books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. This applies to those two books, I do not believe that there is JST in Deuteronomy, I think there is in Exodus (correct me if I am wrong please) but even if there is it isn't additions but restorations of the original text of the Books.





Galatians 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

To many hie hard Anti-Mormons this is the holy grail! This verse must obviously be the Apostles warning about the Angel Moroni and the Book of Mormon!!!

Look closely and you will see that this opinion is incorrect. It says those who bring any OTHER gospel. The Book of Mormon does not bring any other Gospel it brings the Gospel of Jesus Christ recorded by ancient inhabitants of Central America that descended from the lost tribe of Manasseh. It is the same Gospel so it not the any other gospel spoken of in Galatians 1:8. (On a side not though Mohammad claimed to have been visited by the Angel Gabriel and Mohammad brought the Koran that teaches Christ is not the Son of God, this does fit the Galatians warning to perfectly!)

I hope that my explanations of the verses in Revelations, Deuteronomy, and Galatians help you when you are challenged by those who seek to attack our faith!

Choose the Right and Stay strong in your faith of the Restored Gospel!

God Bless

[Blackmarch]

Originally Posted by LDSChristian

I know people have tried to use Revelation 22:18-19 to disprove the Book of Mormon. If we violated those verses where are our plagues? Simple, it comes from the common mistranslation we all see people have in regards to Revelation 22:18-19.

I'm thankful for the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

Good question

[LDSChristian]

Originally Posted by LDS_Guy_1986

This is one of three verses that get thrown out against the Book of Mormon. The other two are Deuteronomy 4:2 and Galatians 1:8.

These are all poor claims because the Book of Mormon does not violate any of these scriptures, I will discuss each briefly as I understand them:

Revelations 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

There are two claims made against the LDS Church in regards to this scripture:

1) The Book of Mormon violates Rev 22:18 by adding to the Bible.

This is incorrect for 2 reasons first is that the BoM complements not adds to the Bible. Second it that this verse does not refer to the Bible it refers to the Book of Revelations look at the Apostle Johns exact words "the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things," his warning and curse is upon those that add or remove from the Book of Revelations not the Bible which is a Volume of 66 Books.

It is interesting though that the Apostle John would add such a powerful warning to those who seek to alter the Book of Revelations! Most other Christians believe that the Bible is inerrant and God prevents people from making changes to is through translation error and mistakes in the 1000 years the Bible was hand copied. So I like to point to that if the Bible was thought to be inerrant to the Apostle John why did he make such a grave warning to those who sought to change it?

2) The Joseph Smith Translation adds to the Book of Revelation meaning Joseph Smith is cursed by the plagues of the Book of Revelations.

Another crazy and obviously incorrect claim for two reasons. First Joseph Smith was never cursed with the plagues of the Book of Revelations, an obvious proof that he did not add to the Book (and a direct support for our claim that the Holy Bible has been subject to error)

Second, is that he never added to the Book of Revelations, the JST is restoring things removed from the Book of Revelations by accidental (translation error, copying error) or intentional (omission) motives. Those who accidentally removed from Revelations will hopefully receive mercy from Christ and not have there names removed from the Book of Life, those who may have done this intentionally have rejected the Holy Ghost and are unforgivable in this life or the next. Either way Joseph Smith inspired translations did not add to the Book or Revelations it only restored lost parts to it. Restoring something that was there in the first place is not an addition to the Book of Revelations!



Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

This falls under the same general issue of the Rev 22:18-19. People incorrectly assume that "the word which I command you," is the entire Bible (which did not exist at the time this or Revelations was written). The word which is commanded is the law of Moses found in the Books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. This applies to those two books, I do not believe that there is JST in Deuteronomy, I think there is in Exodus (correct me if I am wrong please) but even if there is it isn't additions but restorations of the original text of the Books.





Galatians 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

To many hie hard Anti-Mormons this is the holy grail! This verse must obviously be the Apostles warning about the Angel Moroni and the Book of Mormon!!!

Look closely and you will see that this opinion is incorrect. It says those who bring any OTHER gospel. The Book of Mormon does not bring any other Gospel it brings the Gospel of Jesus Christ recorded by ancient inhabitants of Central America that descended from the lost tribe of Manasseh. It is the same Gospel so it not the any other gospel spoken of in Galatians 1:8. (On a side not though Mohammad claimed to have been visited by the Angel Gabriel and Mohammad brought the Koran that teaches Christ is not the Son of God, this does fit the Galatians warning to perfectly!)

I hope that my explanations of the verses in Revelations, Deuteronomy, and Galatians help you when you are challenged by those who seek to attack our faith!

Choose the Right and Stay strong in your faith of the Restored Gospel!

God Bless

Yea I know. I just think it's interesting how people try to use places like Revelation when it speaks of those who violate what's written will be plagued and since we haven't been plagued that proves the Book of Mormon isn't in violation of Revelation.

"Look closely and you will see that this opinion is incorrect. It says those who bring any OTHER gospel."
The word "other" is also what I emphasize to others. Christ said that whoever says Christ has come and testifies of Christ is an angel of the Lord. Moroni did just that. Satan cannot testify of Christ because, as Christ taught, Satan cannot divide against himself.

"The Joseph Smith Translation adds to the Book of Revelation meaning Joseph Smith is cursed by the plagues of the Book of Revelations. Another crazy and obviously incorrect claim for two reasons. First Joseph Smith was never cursed with the plagues of the Book of Revelations, an obvious proof that he did not add to the Book (and a direct support for our claim that the Holy Bible has been subject to error)"

Yep. In fact, the words in the Bible that are in italics were added to the scriptures. The Bible didn't exist until the AD era. Besides, we have 91 versions of the english Bible. That itself is in support of our belief of "as far as it is translated correctly."

[LDSChristian]

Originally Posted by LDS_Guy_1986

This is one of three verses that get thrown out against the Book of Mormon. The other two are Deuteronomy 4:2 and Galatians 1:8.

I laugh when people use those since that would be discounting all of the New Testament if referring to Deuteronomy, as well as over half of the Old Testament, and if they use Galatians they're throwing out some of the New Testament.