The scripture to reference if someone says the Christ of the Book of Mormon & Bible aren't the same:

LDSChristian · #1 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 12:25 PM

‎3 Nephi 11:10 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.

11 And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorif...ied the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.

12 And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven.

13 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto them saying:

14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole dearth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come.

16 And when they had all gone forth and had witnessed for themselves, they did cry out with one accord, saying:

17 Hosanna! Blessed be the name of the Most High God! And they did fall down at the feet of Jesus, and did worship him.

MormonMama · #2 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 12:28 PM

Unfortunately, people will insist on believing what they want to believe and that won't convince anyone who doesn't want to believe it.

LDS_Guy_1986 · #3 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MormonMama

Unfortunately, people will insist on believing what they want to believe and that won't convince anyone who doesn't want to believe it.

It's sad to say it but, you are 100% right. Many people will insist we are liars and not Christian that we have a different Jesus then they do. All the whole they refuse to read the Book of Mormon to see that there is no contractions between the bible and BoM and that there is Mormon Jesus only Jesus Christ.

MormonMama · #4 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 12:45 PM

My MIL is like that. She's a good woman and I love her dearly, but she "knows all about the Book of Mormon and the Mormon Church" in spite of the fact that she's never even touched the book, let alone cracked open the cover and actually read it. She's VERY anti-Mormon and refuses to listen to the truth. She actually asked her pastor if it would be okay for her to go to her son's and my wedding because we were having it in our ward building (and she did end up coming).

LDSChristian · #5 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 01:10 PM

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My MIL is like that. She's a good woman and I love her dearly, but she "knows all about the Book of Mormon and the Mormon Church" in spite of the fact that she's never even touched the book, let alone cracked open the cover and actually read it. She's VERY anti-Mormon and refuses to listen to the truth. She actually asked her pastor if it would be okay for her to go to her son's and my wedding because we were having it in our ward building (and she did end up coming).

That's messed up. I'm sorry you have to go through that.

Justice · #6 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 02:52 PM

Not dealing with the exact topic, but a side topic of the thread:

I have been speaking to a man at work who is a good friend about religion. He believes spirit is not tangible, and that it does not have a shape.

I mentioned to him the Mount of Transfiguration where Peter, James, and John saw Moses and Elijah (as men), before they were resurrected (knowing Christ was the first resurrected). This, of course, meaning their spirits had the form of men.

I thought by the look on his face that he was going to admit he was stumped. Instead, he said that since God exists outside of time, that they were probably resurrected and came back to that time period to do whatever God wanted them to do.

So, yeah, people can and will believe anything they want.

By the way, is there anyone who believes spirits are not tangible and do not have a form that would like to respond to what I discussed with my friend? PC?

prisonchaplain · #7 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 05:27 PM

The standard teaching about God's attributes is that He is All-knowing, All-Powerful and Everywhere present. Thus, God is everywhere in the universe, at all times. That does not directly answer your question, but it would seem that if the Father has a body, then He is limited. I realize his consciousness could still extend to all places at all times, so it is not impossible for God to be both. However, this is not what we have been taught.

Then again, God has appeared physically to people. Moses saw his back side. Jacob wrestled with him all night. So, God can manifest himself physically. None of this does anything to either support or deny the doctrine that Father has a permanent corporeal (bodily) existence.

prisonchaplain · #8 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 05:32 PM

As for the "different Jesus" charge...on some levels it is certainly true. Christ's nature in relation to the Father, to humanity, and even to Satan is different in LDS teaching than it is in non-LDS ones. Nobody denies this, or we would not enjoy all the doctrinal strings we have here.

The real question is whether these differences rise to the level of being the kind of "different Jesus" that Paul referred to, when he told the churches to reject those who preach "a different Jesus." In a sense, the point is mute. We do not share one another's teaching platforms, recognize one another's baptisms, nor do we agree about one another's spiritual authority.

None of that keeps us from respectful dialogue, nor from earnestly engaging one another--especially within families. So long as we look to one another as sincere God seekers, there ought to be room for loving engagement.

MormonMama · #9 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 07:35 PM

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That's messed up. I'm sorry you have to go through that.

Thanks. She's actually mellowed out about it quite a bit in recent years. She's still very anti-LDS and won't touch the Book of Mormon, but when DH's brother starts harping on DH and trying to "unbrainwash" him, she tells the brother to shut up and leave DH alone. So she's not pro-Mormon by any means, but she respects our right to believe as we wish.

Just_A_Guy · #10 (**permalink**) 01-31-2011, 07:49 PM

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I mentioned to him the Mount of Transfiguration where Peter, James, and John saw Moses and Elijah (as men), before they were resurrected (knowing Christ was the first resurrected). This, of course, meaning their spirits had the form of men.

But as Mormons, isn't our belief that both Moses and Elijah did not die--and therefore still have their physical bodies?

I was always taught (and, in retrospect, I realize this is speculative) that that was the major reason for translation - so that the translated beings could return to earth with their corporal bodies and minister to its inhabitants, prior to the time of the first resurrection.