Who's a Jew? Whos a gentile?

[lizzy16]

I read- Members of the LDS church regard themselves as regathered Israelites, and so sometimes use the word Gentile to refer to all non-members.

Who's a Jew? Whos a gentile?

[Iggy]

Who are Jews? ~

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎‎ ISO 259-3 Yhudim Israeli pronunciation [jehu'dim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[6][7][8] Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

from: Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

~ Gentiles? We are. from wikipedia:

The term Gentile (from Latin gentilis, by the French "gentil", female: "gentille", meaning of or belonging to a clan or tribe) refers to non-Israelite peoples or nations in English translations of the Bible.
Latin and subsequently English translators selectively used the term gentiles when the context for the base term 'peoples' or 'nations', Hebrew, גוי (goy) and נכרי (nokhri) in the Hebrew Bible and the Greek word ἔθνη (éthnē) in the New Testament, indicated non-Israelite peoples or nations. The term gentiles is derived from Latin, used for contextual translation, and not an original Hebrew or Greek word from the Bible.
Following Christianization of the Roman Empire, the general implication of the word gentile became "non-Jew."

[Traveler]

From an LDS perspective the term Jew relates to a remnant of the house of Israel that are related to those “Jews” that returned to Jerusalem from Babylon about 300 something BC and their decendents today. In general we LDS believe the prophesies; that the House of Israel will become mixed among the Gentiles. This means that in these last days until one is gathered to the house of Israel (by either Judah or Ephraim) by covenant they are still considered under the ancient covenants given to the Gentiles after the time of Noah.

It would appear from the ancient prophesies that in the Last Days Judah will be gathered to Jerusalem (This seems to me to be a spiritual gathering as well as physical - that is that many will be physically gathered to Jerusalem and many will remain in other countries but with a mind toward Jerusalem). Likewise a similar gathering will be in Zion (sometimes called the Mountain of the L-rd). This gathering - according to Isaiah will be in Utah. I suspect that the gathering of Zion will be like the Jews to Jerusalem. Many will physically come and many will remain with their hearts centered on Zion in their own lands as the center place in Utah.

So in summary: The House of Israel is those who by covenant (through linage or adoption) accept the covenant that includes a gathering of Israel according prophesy. - Judah being part of Israel and the covenant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Jacob being given the name Israel whereby the covenant was changed from a Patriarchal covenant to a covenant of a nation and people. The Gentiles are not under the covenant of Israel (Israel being the covenant of a nation under G-d) but a nation without covenant with G-d except when supporting the cause of Israel (or Zion).
The Traveler

PS. The Nation of the United States of America is moving rapidly from a nation under the protection of G-d to a Gentile nation that more and more does not support the cause of Israel or Zion.

[mrmarklin]

If you are a Jew, everyone else is a Gentile.

If you are a Mormon everyone else is a Gentile.

[dahlia]

Originally Posted by Traveler

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PS. The Nation of the United States of America is moving rapidly from a nation under the protection of G-d to a Gentile nation that more and more does not support the cause of Israel or Zion.

I'm curious, as I've seen this before from LDS and do not know the reason for it - why do you write 'G-d'? I know that the Orthodox Jews write it this way, but have not run into any Christians who do so. In fact, Jews on a political board I frequent were castigated for trying to be 'special' when they wrote 'G-d.'

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by dahlia

I'm curious, as I've seen this before from LDS and do not know the reason for it - why do you write 'G-d'? I know that the Orthodox Jews write it this way, but have not run into any Christians who do so. In fact, Jews on a political board I frequent were castigated for trying to be 'special' when they wrote 'G-d.'

I do so for several reason. The ancients never wrote in complete text any reference to G-d. Next the internet is open to all peoples and many (even non religious individuals) exist in countries that will not allow religious text to be copied. It helps keep them safe. And to also to remind me of the sacred nature in using G-d as a reference. In essence it is a personal covenant.

Thanks for asking.

The Traveler

[volgadon]

I do so for several reason. The ancients never wrote in complete text any reference to G-d.

Not so. If you look at any text of the Hebrew Bible, the name of God is always in full.

[volgadon]

Back to the OP, someone famously quipped that Utah is the only place where a Jew can be a gentile.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by volgadon

Back to the OP, someone famously quipped that Utah is the only place where a Jew can be a gentile.

I do not remember the name but this happened when a famious Rabii came to speak at a BYU devotional.

The Traveler

[The_Phoenix]

Originally Posted by lizzy16

I read- Members of the LDS church regard themselves as regathered Israelites, and so sometimes use the word Gentile to refer to all non-members.

Who's a Jew? Whos a gentile?

A better way to ask is; who is an Israelite and who is Gentile? There are 12 Tribes that make up “Israel” as a people. The “Jews” are those who inhabit (for the most part) Israel as a Nation. On a purely secular level, Gentiles are those who are not Jews. On a Spiritual level, Gentiles are non-believers. America is considered a Gentile Nation.

But all who accept Christ as Savior become the seed of Abraham, who of course was grandfather to Jacob (Israel). Also the 12 tribes, were his 12 sons, Jacob (Israel) had a few daughters as well. You would be hard pressed to find anyone on earth who does not have some of Jacob’s blood within their veins.

Also the term “Israelite or Israel” (Spiritually speaking) has come to represent “God’s chosen people”, which are all who accept and follow him.

Hope this helps