Double Standard

On another thread, one that was closed, Jenda said, "Good example, you two, of why we meant it when we said we wanted to steer the topics away from personalities. Now this thread is closed."

I notice no threads have been closed when the Mormons are being confrontational, threatening, or instigative...YET, when someone like myself defends himself the board is closed and a comment is directed at both parties. The problem is that no action is taken until an "anti" like myself takes action, then I'm condemned for doing it.

I didn't threaten Paul. Jenda, Peace, AFDaw, Behunin, and others have been very instigative in their remarks. They're not dealing with the topics...rather they stray by attacking perceived character flaws. I don't really mind their behavior, but I want to raise the Mods' awareness to include both sides when they feel the need to cast blame. 'Nuf said.

[Jenda]

No action was taken because I didn't see the interaction till 9pm this evening (my time), and by that time, both of you had posted already. And when I said "You two", I meant you two. It is nothing against anyone of a particular denomination, LDS or not LDS (I'm sure you remember that I am not LDS, right?).

"I think you're mean."

"Well, I think you're mean."

C'mon, how much more childish can you get?

[Behunin]

Please answer this: Why do you post on a message board that is LDS? It is called LDS talk forum.

Is it your intent to be mean? If not, then what is you intent?

I am curious to know why.

[Maureen]

Originally posted by Behunin@Jan 19 2004, 09:02 AM
Please answer this: Why do you post on a message board that is LDS? It is called LDS talk forum.

I'm sure this question was directed at AS, but I'll answer for myself.

I post at ldstalk because I have an interest in the Mormon religion and history. I have an LDS friend and LDS in-laws. I almost joined the LDS church so I still have a connection with it because of how it has effected my life. I don't share in some of the LDS beliefs but I do enjoy the history and a good debate now and then, and sometimes LDS views on certain religious questions.

M.

[Behunin]

Originally posted by Maureen+Jan 19 2004, 10:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maureen @ Jan 19 2004, 10:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Behunin@Jan 19 2004, 09:02 AM
Please answer this: Why do you post on a message board that is LDS?* It is called LDS talk forum.

I'm sure this question was directed at AS, but I'll answer for myself.

I post at ldstalk because I have an interest in the Mormon religion and history. I have an LDS friend and LDS in-laws. I almost joined the LDS church so I still have a connection with it because of how it has effected my life. I don't share in some of the LDS beliefs but I do enjoy the history and a good debate now and then, and sometimes LDS views on certain religious questions.

M. [/b][/quote]
Maureen,

Thank you Thank you. I appreciate your honest answer.

Your interest in the LDS religion is with good intentions. I have the feeling others do not share your good intentions.

[Blessed]

I am here because my friend invited me.

I enjoy discussion boards that engage in the fullness of the gospel and I enjoy meeting people from around the country... even the not so pleasant types.

I have learned a lot and I do mean A LOT about the unique ties we have in one way or another even when we are miles apart either in beliefs or just distance.

Blessed

Originally posted by Behunin@Jan 19 2004, 09:02 AM
Please answer this: Why do you post on a message board that is LDS? It is called LDS talk forum.

Is it your intent to be mean? If not, then what is you intent?

I am curious to know why.

Because I'm ethnically Mormon. My parents were TBM. I was BIC. Served a mission, married in the temple, held callings, paid tithing etc etc...I have an interest in things Mormon because that is what I knew and surrounded myself with for the better part of 30 years.

LDSTalk to me signifies talking about things LDS. It doesn't mean that we have to have a RS meeting and everyone should exchange platitudes. It means discussing, debating, dialoguing about things having to do with the Mormon Church, culture, and history.

If it seems like I can't leave the Church alone...you're right. It didn't leave me alone for 30 years, and now it won't leave my family alone. Someday, when I get tired of this place, or the Church in general...maybe I'll quit posting on Mormon related BB's. It hasn't happened yet, and to be honest with you I don't know when and if it will happen.

Maybe, when my ex-wife has her time with the kids, when the day comes that I don't have to worry about my kids being taken to the Church on Sundays, saying Mormon-esque prayers, being pressured to get baptized, have Mormon faith promoting stories read to them, etc etc...is the day I won't feel a need to share a counter-view to other members in whatever form. Or maybe not...I just don't know...

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by Jenda@Jan 18 2004, 09:51 PM
No action was taken because I didn't see the interaction till 9pm this evening (my time), and by that time, both of you had posted already. And when I said "You two", I meant you two. It is nothing against anyone of a particular denomination, LDS or not LDS (I'm sure you remember that I am not LDS, right?).

"I think you're mean."

"Well, I think you're mean."

C'mon, how much more childish can you get?

I think that you are mean? Really is that as bad as it got?

I don't think that it is necessary that we all agree on everything. What I do think is important is that if we don't agree that we don't have to bash someone else to make ourselves feel better. I think that when things arise like that we should simply agree to disagree.

Everyone who posts here is important to someone. How would we feel if someone we cared about was being bashed on a message board because of what they believe. With the rules being enforced, the only thing that could get out of hand is the degree of bashing and therefore feelings getting hurt. Behunin is right, what your intentions are weigh very heavily here. A gentle discussion comes across a lot differently then someone trying to hurt someone else. Part of being mature is NOT always having to be right.

One my license plate of my car I have this written URRIGHT. I have read many books by Dr. Wayne Dyer. He has said that it is better to say "You Are Right" about that then to argue about anything at all. Saying you are right doesn't necessarily make them right but it ends the battle. Another thing that I have learned is that when you let another person upset you, you are giving your power away to them. Things are things that I TRY to follow but I do get carried away at times as well.

[Jenda]

We just want a board where everyone feels invited to participate in the discussion, whether they are LDS, other Christian, agnostic, atheist, Buddhist, WHATEVER (as Biz used to say ) but it is an LDS board, meaning that it is these sets of values that will govern the way the board is run. We posted the rules and code of conduct at the top of the board when we purged it so everyone could (again) read them and (hopefully) stick to them. And one of the things we ask is that you leave personalities out of the discussion.

Thanks.

[Behunin]

Originally posted by antishock82003+Jan 19 2004, 10:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (antishock82003 @ Jan 19 2004, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Behunin@Jan 19 2004, 09:02 AM
Please answer this: Why do you post on a message board that is LDS?* It is called LDS talk forum.

Is it your intent to be mean?* If not, then what is you intent?*

I am curious to know why.

Because I'm ethnically Mormon. My parents were TBM. I was BIC. Served a mission, married in the temple, held callings, paid tithing etc etc...I have an interest in things Mormon because that is what I knew and surrounded myself with for the better part of 30 years.

LDSTalk to me signifies talking about things LDS. It doesn't mean that we have to have a RS meeting and everyone should exchange platitudes. It means discussing, debating, dialoguing about things having to do with the Mormon Church, culture, and history.

If it seems like I can't leave the Church alone...you're right. It didn't leave me alone for 30 years, and now it won't leave my family alone. Someday, when I get tired of this place, or the Church in general...maybe I'll quit posting on Mormon related BB's. It hasn't happened yet, and to be honest with you I don't know when and if it will happen.

Maybe, when my ex-wife has her time with the kids, when the day comes that I don't have to worry about my kids being taken to the Church on Sundays, saying Mormon-esque prayers, being pressured to get baptized, have Mormon faith promoting stories read to them, etc etc...is the day I won't feel a need to share a counter-view to other members in whatever form. Or maybe not...I just don't know... [/b][/quote]
Thank you for being honest. I understand you better now. I don't necessarily agree you, but nonetheless, I understand you a little better.

Contention bothers me. No, it does more than that, it hurts.

As I read your post, I got the feeling that the church has been shoved down your throat for many years. Sometimes I wonder if orthodox mormon parents realize that their overprotection can turn away their children.
If Heavenly Father will not force his children to heaven, then we shouldn't either.

AS, I enjoy a good discussion as long as it does not envolve being mean, contentious, or disparaging to anyone.
They is never any good reason to be that way.

So as long as your intentions are good, I hope we can be friends