Language:
Welcome Guest Login or Signup » LOGOUT

Go Back   LDS Social Network Forums > LDS.NET Popular Forums > LDS Gospel Discussion

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2013, 07:28 PM
Tough Grits's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Georgia
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 1,425
Thanks: 1,769
Thanked 696 Times in 398 Posts
Laughs: 577
Laughs at 186 Times in 95 Posts
Default An Angry and Contentious Woman

Proverbs 21:19
It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.


Okay. Let me explain a few things here...

First off, I agree with this scripture. It IS better for a man to go live in the wilderness than to live with an angry or contentious woman.

Second, maybe man should STAY in the wilderness once he gets there.

Third, why doesn't this scripture expound upon WHY the woman is angry and/or contentious?

Indeed. Maybe the man is in the wilderness because the man did or said something to get himself thrust out of his little tent.

And while we are at it, maybe the scripture should expound further as to whether the CHILDREN got kicked out of the tent as well.

Because if it is better for man to live in the wilderness when the woman is angry and contentious, then shouldn't "man" take the kids with him?

Wouldn't the children have played a role in the woman's anger as well as the man???

Maybe the children and the man should just pitch a permanent tent out in the wilderness and make it a home-away-from-home, so that every time they anger the main woman of the house...er, tent...they can then go straight to their time-out tent in the wilderness.

Indeed.

What say you?
__________________
~Sister Tough Grits

Life in the Church soon teaches us that the Lord does not ask us about our ability, but only our availability. And then, if we demonstrate our dependability, the Lord will increase our capability. ~Neal A. Maxwell

Blessed are those that can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.


Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Tough Grits For This Useful Post:
annewandering (01-21-2013), applepansy (01-22-2013), classylady (01-21-2013)
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2013, 07:36 PM
Vort's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: United States -
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 9,263
Thanks: 1,924
Thanked 6,856 Times in 3,352 Posts
Laughs: 519
Laughs at 2,844 Times in 1,115 Posts
Default

I think the ancient Hebrews had some wise proverbs.
__________________
As if anyone could knowingly commit sin without being changed both in spirit, body, and mind. Let me say this again, sin changes who we are! --james12
***********************
"Nice hand, friend, but those are not the cards I dealt you."
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Vort For This Useful Post:
Anddenex (01-22-2013), applepansy (01-22-2013), Daybreak79 (01-22-2013), Tough Grits (01-21-2013)
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2013, 07:40 PM
Tough Grits's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Georgia
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 1,425
Thanks: 1,769
Thanked 696 Times in 398 Posts
Laughs: 577
Laughs at 186 Times in 95 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vort View Post
I think the ancient Hebrews had some wise proverbs.
Where, o where, is the laugh button when you need one?
__________________
~Sister Tough Grits

Life in the Church soon teaches us that the Lord does not ask us about our ability, but only our availability. And then, if we demonstrate our dependability, the Lord will increase our capability. ~Neal A. Maxwell

Blessed are those that can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.


Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Tough Grits For This Useful Post:
applepansy (01-22-2013), Daybreak79 (01-22-2013)
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2013, 07:42 PM
skippy740's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: United States -
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 4,051
Thanks: 1,757
Thanked 2,588 Times in 1,377 Posts
Laughs: 1,473
Laughs at 725 Times in 292 Posts
Default

Substitute couch for wilderness.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to skippy740 For This Useful Post:
Anddenex (01-22-2013), applepansy (01-22-2013), Tough Grits (01-21-2013)
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2013, 11:20 PM
Traveler's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 7,679
Thanks: 783
Thanked 3,156 Times in 1,912 Posts
Laughs: 22
Laughs at 269 Times in 123 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Grits View Post
Proverbs 21:19
It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.


Okay. Let me explain a few things here...

First off, I agree with this scripture. It IS better for a man to go live in the wilderness than to live with an angry or contentious woman.

Second, maybe man should STAY in the wilderness once he gets there.

Third, why doesn't this scripture expound upon WHY the woman is angry and/or contentious?

Indeed. Maybe the man is in the wilderness because the man did or said something to get himself thrust out of his little tent.

And while we are at it, maybe the scripture should expound further as to whether the CHILDREN got kicked out of the tent as well.

Because if it is better for man to live in the wilderness when the woman is angry and contentious, then shouldn't "man" take the kids with him?

Wouldn't the children have played a role in the woman's anger as well as the man???

Maybe the children and the man should just pitch a permanent tent out in the wilderness and make it a home-away-from-home, so that every time they anger the main woman of the house...er, tent...they can then go straight to their time-out tent in the wilderness.

Indeed.

What say you?
I believe you have missed the symbolism. Living in the wilderness is in essence loosing civilization. It is the end of civilization. The parable is more about women than men.

The Traveler
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-22-2013, 04:33 AM
Magen_Avot's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: United States -
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 212
Thanks: 206
Thanked 98 Times in 63 Posts
Laughs: 36
Laughs at 27 Times in 18 Posts
Default

There went out an irrevocable decree:

When moma's not happy,... NOBODY's happy!


May I also add...
It has also been my experience that I didn't even do anything that moment, day, week, month or since the last leap year!

When I return home after this year in the Middle East, I'm building a 12' high 12'x16' barn style shed to replace the tent.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Magen_Avot For This Useful Post:
Anddenex (01-22-2013), Tough Grits (01-22-2013)
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-22-2013, 07:37 AM
rameumptom's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: United States -
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Age: 53
Posts: 7,073
Thanks: 1,803
Thanked 4,526 Times in 2,557 Posts
Laughs: 347
Laughs at 784 Times in 356 Posts
Default

I think the parable is not referencing the occasional anger of a woman, but of the woman who is always angry. I think of Kate in the Taming of the Shrew as an example. Few men (Richard Burton is the only one I can think of at the moment) could ever hope to have a productive marriage with such a woman.

Of course, an angry man is just as difficult for the woman, and so we have the Law of Moses to manage the temper of the angry man (eye for an eye, etc.)
__________________


Rameumptom: A Holy Stand or Podium, where I can pontificate to my heart's delight.

rameumptom.weebly.com
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to rameumptom For This Useful Post:
Tough Grits (01-22-2013)
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-22-2013, 08:52 AM
Anddenex's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: United States -
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 1,929
Thanks: 2,645
Thanked 1,370 Times in 736 Posts
Laughs: 497
Laughs at 261 Times in 130 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Grits View Post
Proverbs 21:19
It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.


Okay. Let me explain a few things here...

First off, I agree with this scripture. It IS better for a man to go live in the wilderness than to live with an angry or contentious woman.
I agree also.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Grits View Post
Second, maybe man should STAY in the wilderness once he gets there.
I think he should only come back when he is hungry, or to continue to multiply and replenish the earth. ... assuming she is still angry. If she isn't angry, then he should come back. She should apologize

/duck and cover

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Grits View Post
Third, why doesn't this scripture expound upon WHY the woman is angry and/or contentious?
Then this scripture definitely allows men and women to apply Nephi's words and liken all scriptures unto ourselves -- thus allowing us to ask -- why was she angry?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Grits View Post
Indeed. Maybe the man is in the wilderness because the man did or said something to get himself thrust out of his little tent.
He probably forgot to take off his shoes when he entered the tent.

He probably let her change one to many diapers (cloths) without changing one himself.

He might have love tapped her buttox a little to hard.

He possibly may have answered her question honestly when she asked if her tunic made her look fat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Grits View Post
And while we are at it, maybe the scripture should expound further as to whether the CHILDREN got kicked out of the tent as well.
They probably were. Or the children took notice, when dad flees to the wilderness -- the children follow -- Mom's on a rampage.

Probably one of those unspoken common sense phrases which didn't need to be said back then.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Grits View Post
Because if it is better for man to live in the wilderness when the woman is angry and contentious, then shouldn't "man" take the kids with him?

Wouldn't the children have played a role in the woman's anger as well as the man???
Depends on whether or not her anger is directed toward the husband or both. If directed at both, then yes the kids should flee to the wilderness also.

Sometimes getting hit with high heels (sandals back then) isn't very comfortable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Grits View Post
Maybe the children and the man should just pitch a permanent tent out in the wilderness and make it a home-away-from-home, so that every time they anger the main woman of the house...er, tent...they can then go straight to their time-out tent in the wilderness.
Already have one, it is called the "gym" at church.

I thoroughly enjoyed your witty post.

Last edited by Anddenex; 01-22-2013 at 08:54 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Anddenex For This Useful Post:
Tough Grits (01-22-2013)
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-22-2013, 11:01 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: United States -
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 151
Thanks: 0
Thanked 54 Times in 38 Posts
Laughs: 0
Laughs at 18 Times in 10 Posts
Default

The New Testament has some useful points also:

"And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands are chains: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her" Ecc 7:26
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 01-22-2013, 11:44 AM
Vort's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: United States -
Religion: Mormon / LDS / Christian
Posts: 9,263
Thanks: 1,924
Thanked 6,856 Times in 3,352 Posts
Laughs: 519
Laughs at 2,844 Times in 1,115 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by garryw View Post
The New Testament has some useful points also:

"And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands are chains: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her" Ecc 7:26
That must be that new Bible edition that includes Ecclesiastes in the New Testament. I need to get ahold of one of those.
__________________
As if anyone could knowingly commit sin without being changed both in spirit, body, and mind. Let me say this again, sin changes who we are! --james12
***********************
"Nice hand, friend, but those are not the cards I dealt you."
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Vort For This Useful Post:
jerome1232 (01-22-2013), Tough Grits (01-22-2013)
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:25 PM.

New Posts

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0



TERMS & CONDITIONS | HELP | CONTACT US | INVITE | RSS FEEDS | ABOUT US | GET INVOLVED | ARCHIVE
*** LDS Social Network ***
More Good Foundation. All rights reserved.

Header art used by permission of Mark Mabry and Reflections of Christ.

LDS.Net is not owned by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon Church or LDS Church). The views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the position of the Church. The views expressed by individual users are the responsibility of those users and do not necessarily represent the position of the More Good Foundation. For the official Church websites, please visit LDS.org and Mormon.org.