The Great And Abominable Church

Originally posted by Unorthodox+Jun 10 2004, 04:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Unorthodox @ Jun 10 2004, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ruthie-chan@Jun 10 2004, 12:46 PM
Wait, didn't you know?
Mormon's aren't Christian.
Duh.
Nevermind the fact that they believe that Christ is their Savior.

Ed Decker (author of The God Makers) believes that Mormons are part of a Satanic conspiracy.

According to him, the Mormons pretend to be Christian in order to recruit Christians.

Meanwhile, the Masons are supposedly recruiting politicians, businessmen, etc.

I'm serious...if the Book of Revelations had never mentioned a Great and Abominable Church, people would be alot less paranoid. [/b][/quote]
Those are interesting, but totally stupid theories....

But I think you have something when you say that people would be less paranoid (or more introspective) if they didn't have a wicked entity to blame all wickedness on.

However, I believe that there is no entity at all...I believe the G&A is people....individual people who have made the wrong choices.

Or midichlorians? A church of evil midichlorians?

Originally posted by Unorthodox+Jun 10 2004, 06:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Unorthodox @ Jun 10 2004, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Yeah....or maybe you look under their robes and you find millions of little people and the guy is on stilts...LOL

Or midichlorians? A church of evil midichlorians living in two human bodies? [/b][/quote]
ROFL!

[Jason]

"The Catholic Church was almost successful, at one point, in bringing world dominion under their control, and it is close again."

I suppose I'll jump in again (sigh).

At no time in the history of the world has the Catholic Church ever been even CLOSE to controling the world. They've not even been close to controling EUROPE! Heck, they never even controled Italy!

That said, Im no longer seriously considering the Catholic position. Not that it's a bad church, but for now I have too many doubts.

Now, will everyone please take a little time and do some historical RESEARCH! Please!

And Travler...I'd go with Cal...What plain and precious truths were removed? What the heck are you talking about?

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Cal@Jun 7 2004, 08:54 PM


Name one?* - I will gladly name a few.*
1.* The full Book of Enoch - a part of which is quoted in the Book of Jude verses 14-16
2. The Dead Sea Scroll (4Q246) titled “The Son of God”
3. 49 Hebrew words missing between the last verse of Chapter 10 and the first verse of chapter 11 of 1 Samuel.
4. Text Changes in Isaiah 38:11
5. The Gentile prophet of the Last Days as described in the Testaments of the Patriarchs.


Trav--I asked for "plain and precious TRUTHS", not books....again, what are these "plain and precious truths" that we can't do without?

Since you did not want any references but only the missing doctrine:

1. From the Book of Enoch - One of the prime reasons for the destruction of Antediluvian Society is that societies acceptance and support of same sex marriage.

2. DSS "The Son of God" scroll - That the Son of G-d is a separate G-d from G-d the Father of Heaven.

3. Missing words in Samuel. Spiritual blindness is the result of disobedience to covenants.

4. Text changes in Isaiah - indicates man cannot see G-d the Father but can see the Son.

5. Testaments of the Patriarchs. The great Gentile prophet of the Last Days will be a High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek.

This is by no means all from the plane and precious truths in missing Bible Scriptures I have provided more than the one you asked for. Sorry you are not more versed in the recent discovery of ancient manuscripts and that you stumble over the possibility that something important is missing. How else can you explain such large scale disagreement on the entire spectrum of Christian Doctrine. Let me ask one question in return. Can you name a doctrine or ordinance agreed by all claiming to be Christian that has no disputes on how it should be interpreted and understood?

The Traveler

[Jason]

"1. From the Book of Enoch - One of the prime reasons for the destruction of Antediluvian Society is that societies acceptance and support of same sex marriage."

Not sure that's a plain and precious truth. It may be so, but there's enough in the Bible to understand that God does not approve of same sex relationships of any kind.

"2. DSS "The Son of God" scroll - That the Son of G-d is a separate G-d from G-d the Father of Heaven."

Hey, I'd actually like the reference for that.

"3. Missing words in Samuel. Spiritual blindness is the result of disobedience to covenants."

Im pretty darn sure you can find that elsewhere in the Bible.

"4. Text changes in Isaiah - indicates man cannot see G-d the Father but can see the Son."

Hey...uh....wouldn't that actually invalidate Joseph Smith's "First Vision"?

"5. Testaments of the Patriarchs. The great Gentile prophet of the Last Days will be a High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek."

I'd like that reference too.

"Can you name a doctrine or ordinance agreed by all claiming to be Christian that has no disputes on how it should be interpreted and understood?"

Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself.

Oh, and can you find a doctrine or ordinance agreed by all claming to be Mormon that has no disputes?

Thanks.

[Faerie]

Originally posted by ExMormon-Jason@Jun 11 2004, 08:10 PM
Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself.

that

[Traveler]

"1. From the Book of Enoch - One of the prime reasons for the destruction of Antediluvian Society is that societies acceptance and support of same sex marriage."

Not sure that's a plain and precious truth. It may be so, but there's enough in the Bible to understand that God does not approve of same sex relationships of any kind.

Sorry we may understand he does not approve that is a vast difference in destroying an entire society. I do not think that is in the Bible - nice try.


"2. DSS "The Son of God" scroll - That the Son of G-d is a separate G-d from G-d the Father of Heaven."

Hey, I'd actually like the reference for that. Thank you

"3. Missing words in Samuel. Spiritual blindness is the result of disobedience to covenants."

Im pretty darn sure you can find that elsewhere in the Bible. I know another reference that is close but it is not as straight forward.

"4. Text changes in Isaiah - indicates man cannot see G-d the Father but can see the Son."

Hey...uh....wouldn't that actually invalidate Joseph Smith's "First Vision"?

Actually it does not because the Son acts as mediator to make it possible.


"5. Testaments of the Patriarchs. The great Gentile prophet of the Last Days will be a High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek."

I'd like that reference too. Your welcome.


"Can you name a doctrine or ordinance agreed by all claiming to be Christian that has no disputes on how it should be interpreted and understood?"

Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself.
Why did the Pilgrims come to America? Who drove the LDS from the United States - Moslems? There were no Christians that owned Slaves in America? When was the first law passed by Christians that would allow an non-Christian to not be put to death under the law for not being Christian?

The Traveler

[Jason]

I said: "Not sure that's a plain and precious truth. It may be so, but there's enough in the Bible to understand that God does not approve of same sex relationships of any kind."

You replied: "Sorry we may understand he does not approve that is a vast difference in destroying an entire society. I do not think that is in the Bible - nice try."

Ok, so we're missing history. Still doesn't mean we've lost one of your "plain and precious" truths.


You posted: "2. DSS "The Son of God" scroll - That the Son of G-d is a separate G-d from G-d the Father of Heaven."

I said: "Hey, I'd actually like the reference for that."

You replied: "Thank you"

That's your reference?



You said: "3. Missing words in Samuel. Spiritual blindness is the result of disobedience to covenants."

I replied: "Im pretty darn sure you can find that elsewhere in the Bible."

You said: "I know another reference that is close but it is not as straight forward."

Straight forward? I think you're making things up now.

"4. Text changes in Isaiah - indicates man cannot see G-d the Father but can see the Son."

I replied: "Hey...uh....wouldn't that actually invalidate Joseph Smith's "First Vision"?

You said: "Actually it does not because the Son acts as mediator to make it possible."

Do you even know your Mormon Doctrine? There is no single shred of LDS theology that supports that position.

"5. Testaments of the Patriarchs. The great Gentile prophet of the Last Days will be a High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek."

I said: "I'd like that reference too."

You said: "Your welcome."

You're starting to get on my nerves. If you can't back it up, don't post it.

"Can you name a doctrine or ordinance agreed by all claiming to be Christian that has no disputes on how it should be interpreted and understood?"

I said: "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself."

You replied: "Why did the Pilgrims come to America?"

Cause they were religious zealots that couldn't get along with anyone. That's why. And what does that have to do with anything!

"Who drove the LDS from the United States - Moslems?"

Cause they were religious zealots who couldn't get along with anyone.

"There were no Christians that owned Slaves in America?"

Of course there were. But there were also MORMONS who owned slaves. Or didn't you know that? Did you know that Utah was a Slave territory? Apparently not. Try again, junior.

"When was the first law passed by Christians that would allow an non-Christian to not be put to death under the law for not being Christian?"

I don't know. Why don't you enlighten me?

Interesting stuff Traveler...do you have some of those references....?