The Great And Abominable Church

[Traveler]

To begin the title itself offers interesting insight. Anciently the term “Great” meant large size or of majority numbers. The term great implies that such an institution is unrivaled or in other words the Great and Abominable Church is the church, religion, doctrine and ways of the world.

The next part of the name is “Abominable”. Anciently this term had only one meaning - something that is used to replace the true and living G-d. This is no idle evil or simple misunderstanding of things but a deliberate replacement of G-d - his way of life including commandments and covenants with something else.

Some indication of the Great and Abominable Church:
1. The G & A B makes war on anyone that commits to live as Jesus taught. (Rev 12:17)
2. Described as the great whore that sitteth upon many waters (Rev 17:1) - Besides the symbol of the women involved it also meant the people are the majority throughout the world and they cater to pleasures.
3. Has been around a long time - was the dominant power of intellectual thinking at the time of Jesus as well as in our day. Also had the power to alter sacred scripture and keep everyone for many generations from obtaining the scriptures in their pure form. (1Nephi 13:32). Note that the reason for this corruption of scripture was to cause contention among would be believers and cause them to stumble over doctrine. Has it worked?
4. Has power to infiltrate any and all religious institutions that do not align themselves with the standards of the church of G-d and his saints. (1Nephi 14:10). This is a rather critical notion - Those that wish to take a stand against good moral people based on doctrine, do so at a terrible price.
5. Encourages and fosters the rejection of G-d and a moral family lifestyle. (D&C 88:94)

Paul describes the society of the G & A C or those involved in it practices in the “Last Days” in a most interesting manner in 2 Timothy 3:1-8. Lets review some of the concepts - from verse 2 of the King James version “For men shall be lovers of their own selves,”. The original Greek can also be read as: “For men shall be lovers of their own kind”. Interesting alternate translation - don’t you think? Then from verse 3: “Without natural affection”. The Greek is quite clear that this refers to sexual perversions with the additional description of “incontinent” which means without restraint of reproductive urges by exercising such desires in “unnatural ways”. The word translated to fierce is in reference to wild or untamed animal (not enlightened human) behavior. Can there be a better description of pornography and those caught in its addictions? Then in verse 4 “lovers of pleasures more than lovers of G-d”. Paul hits on this theme so much one would think Paul could be talking about addictions to behavior not likely fostered in loving families with Christian values. In verse 5 Paul says something very astonishing - “Having a form of g-dliness; but denying the power thereof.” In other words there will be an effort to make the life style to be considered as social viable as a marriage prescribed by G-d. This will be done by asserting that G-d does not have the right to prescribe what is “right” and “wrong”.

The Traveler

Woe! Hey Traveler, I believe you have hit the nail on the head with this one....Thanks for this great information.

[Jason]

Looks like Traveler's been reading H. Verlan Anderson's books...

Greek is Greek no matter who reads it....

[Tr2]

What point are you trying to make?

I thought it was obvious.

[Rodney]

Originally posted by Starsky@May 31 2004, 09:58 AM
I thought it was obvious.

Apparently, more obvious than the point I was making with my Abominable Snowman post, which was conveniently transferred to oblivion.

[Tr2]

I thought it was obvious.

Nope. There are a lot of thoughts, but I don't see how they come together.

Is that supposed to suggest that the great and abominable church is the world?

What point are you trying to make?

Tr, that is what I understand it to mean. The world=great and abominable.

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Traveler@May 28 2004, 09:24 PM
To begin the title itself offers interesting insight. Anciently the term “Great” meant large size or of majority numbers. The term great implies that such an institution is unrivaled or in other words the Great and Abominable Church is the church, religion, doctrine and ways of the world.

The next part of the name is “Abominable”. Anciently this term had only one meaning - something that is used to replace the true and living G-d. This is no idle evil or simple misunderstanding of things but a deliberate replacement of G-d - his way of life including commandments and covenants with something else.

Some indication of the Great and Abominable Church:
1. The G & A B makes war on anyone that commits to live as Jesus taught. (Rev 12:17)
2. Described as the great whore that sitteth upon many waters (Rev 17:1) - Besides the symbol of the women involved it also meant the people are the majority throughout the world and they cater to pleasures.
3. Has been around a long time - was the dominant power of intellectual thinking at the time of Jesus as well as in our day. Also had the power to alter sacred scripture and keep everyone for many generations from obtaining the scriptures in their pure form. (1Nephi 13:32). Note that the reason for this corruption of scripture was to cause contention among would be believers and cause them to stumble over doctrine. Has it worked?
4. Has power to infiltrate any and all religious institutions that do not align themselves with the standards of the church of G-d and his saints. (1Nephi 14:10). This is a rather critical notion - Those that wish to take a stand against good moral people based on doctrine, do so at a terrible price.
5. Encourages and fosters the rejection of G-d and a moral family lifestyle. (D&C 88:94)

Paul describes the society of the G & A C or those involved in it practices in the “Last Days” in a most interesting manner in 2 Timothy 3:1-8. Lets review some of the concepts - from verse 2 of the King James version “For men shall be lovers of their own selves,”. The original Greek can also be read as: “For men shall be lovers of their own kind”. Interesting alternate translation - don’t you think? Then from verse 3: “Without natural affection”. The Greek is quite clear that this refers to sexual perversions with the additional description of “incontinent” which means without restraint of reproductive urges by exercising such desires in “unnatural ways”. The word translated to fierce is in reference to wild or untamed animal (not enlightened human) behavior. Can there be a better description of pornography and those caught in its addictions? Then in verse 4 “lovers of pleasures more than lovers of G-d”. Paul hits on this theme so much one would think Paul could be talking about addictions to behavior not likely fostered in loving families with Christian values. In verse 5 Paul says something very astonishing - “Having a form of g-dliness; but denying the power thereof.” In other words there will be an effort to make the life style to be considered as social viable as a marriage prescribed by G-d. This will be done by asserting that G-d does not have the right to prescribe what is “right” and “wrong”.

The Traveler

Boy do we interpret these scriptures differently.

A couple of questions (mostly related to your point #3.)

How do you know that the G&A church has been around a long time, and in fact was the dominant power of intellectual thinking at the time of Jesus?

How can you read those scriptures and not see the correlation between the G&A church, and an actual church of today? It is so very obvious to me.