A Messed Up Doctrine?

Wow, I agree with Tr2.
I somehow didn't think that would ever happen!

Originally posted by Cal@Jun 9 2004, 08:27 PM
And the conundrums continue.....................we mormons believe that children that die before the age of accountablity automatically go to heaven. So does that mean that if I kill my young children that I am doing them the favor of not letting them risk the possiblity that they might not go to heaven if they live out a normal life? IF it is REALLY true, how could God punish someone for sacrificing himself selflessly by sending his kids to the celestial kingdom forever? Greater love hath no man......... and in this case he is giving not only his earthly life, but his eternal life, WHAT A SACRIFICE.......should it go unrewarded?

Brother only you could come up with such a screwed view of mormon doctrine that is meant to bring peace....and you make it bring murder....gadfreeeze....

[Setheus]

A good example of why this would not be good is from Anne Rice's Interview with the Vampire. The character Claudia was 6yrs old and dying of the black death. Louis and Lestat turned her into a vampire. She would forever be young. Forever immune to sickness. But she would never grow up. And her character became very bitter over that and even began to hate the two who gave her the "dark gift". After all thats what they thought they were doing when they turned her. Giving her a gift.

When you kill a child for the stated purpose you may send them to heaven, but you rob them of the very reason they even exist in the first place! To eternally progress.
Will they be doomed to be angels because of your actions? Will you have robbed them of a "fullness of joy"?

And Part of what makes us happy is our parents. So if you go and send yourself to hell is that really doing whats best for your child???

[M.P.S.]

Originally posted by Cal@Jun 9 2004, 09:27 PM
And the conundrums continue.....................we mormons believe that children that die before the age of accountablity automatically go to heaven. So does that mean that if I kill my young children that I am doing them the favor of not letting them risk the possiblity that they might not go to heaven if they live out a normal life? IF it is REALLY true, how could God punish someone for sacrificing himself selflessly by sending his kids to the celestial kingdom forever? Greater love hath no man......... and in this case he is giving not only his earthly life, but his eternal life, WHAT A SACRIFICE.......should it go unrewarded?

Um...some of this may have already been said...but I didn't feel like reading the rest of the thread.

That "sacrifice" would HORENDOUSLY infringe upon your children's free agency. Satan's plan in the pre-mortal exsistance was to take away our agency in this life. If you did that to your children you'd be no better than he. We are to love our children the way God showed his love for us: by letting us make our own mistakes and be given the CHOICE to return to Him.

If I loved my girlfriend (assuming I had one ) but didn't want to risk breaking the law of chastity with her besause of that love would I go have my genitalia removed to ensure I couldn't do it (sorry if you find that graphic...)? NO! If you love your child you don't take away their choices you teach them, rear them, nurture them to making the right ones.

That child in the pre-mortal life CHOSE to come to the world and put everything on the line to return to our Heavenly Father. To risk screwing up in order to recieve a greater glory. How dare anyone take that from them.

So...it's not really a conundrum.

Plus...we come down for experience....you kill your child....and don't get the experience they chose to have.....how crummy is that?

[Ray]

Originally posted by Unorthodox@Jun 10 2004, 11:50 AM
I think anyone who starts to think this way must think that they KNOW the Celestial Kingdom exists.

And this is just one example of why that is dangerous thinking.

We have to accept that WE DO NOT KNOW THE CHURCH IS TRUE.

Have FAITH in the Church...FAITH in Heaven...that's great if it makes you feel good.

But keep a healthy amount of DOUBT in your mind. Because if it is not true, this is our one and only life, and death will only be THE END.

You won’t advance very far in the Jedi (Saintly) order with that attitude, my friend.
Use the Faith, Tao, and you’ll be amazed by the things you’ll come to know.

p.s. I'm in the mood to watch another Star Wars marathon.

[curvette]

Good heaven's Cal! I don't think I personally know any parent who would kill their child under any circumstances. If our bodies and minds are healthy, and we were loved as children, we would usually have the instinct to protect our children, not harm them. I would certainly never have enough faith (or insanity) to do so for any reason. The only people I can think of that would are crazy. Everyone knows of instances where a mentally ill mom has killed her children because some voices told her they'd be better off in heaven than in this evil world. I think religion, combined with mental illness can be a dangerous combination. The doctrine that children automatically go to heaven though is probably a great comfort to people who lose a child.

[Cal]

Originally posted by lindy9556@Jun 10 2004, 12:08 AM
Cal,
You are scaring me....with that kind of thinking
Where on earth did you come up with something like that?

[quote]

Uhhh...right from our own scriptures? Are my premises wrong? Do young children who die, not go to the celestial kingdom, according to mormon doctrine? Is it not a virtue to sacrifice all one has for the benefit of another? If you could guarantee the celestial, with all its benefits, to your children, can you not see why some wouldn't make the sacrifice

I'm not saying we are required to, but you can see how the logical consequences of some mormon doctrine could lead the literalists among us to some pretty strange behavior.

Actually, the fact of the matter is that few, if any of us would. Why? Because, deep down, we all actually have some doubt as to the truth of much of this stuff.