A Messed Up Doctrine?

Cal · #1 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 10:27 PM

And the conundrums continue.....................we mormons believe that children that die before the age of accountablity automatically go to heaven. So does that mean that if I kill my young children that I am doing them the favor of not letting them risk the possiblity that they might not go to heaven if they live out a normal life? IF it is REALLY true, how could God punish someone for sacrificing himself selflessly by sending his kids to the celestial kingdom forever? Greater love hath no man......... and in this case he is giving not only his earthly life, but his eternal life, WHAT A SACRIFICE.......should it go unrewarded?

broadway · #2 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 10:34 PM

Quite a twist you put on this doctrine, eh? Well...you wouldn't be the first to twist the words of our God and prophets...

If you kill a human being before he reaches that age (for that reason), you are trying to put yourself above God by doing something that he forbides...taking free agency away. Satan was cast down out of heaven for this.

Humans were put on earth to go through trials and be tested and prove themselves. By killing a human being, you are cutting his journey short and disallowing him to progress any further on earth. This is a serious sin and is punished very seriously, as you acknowledged. This would not be considered a selfless act or a sacrifice, but as an abomination and blaspheme.

Even if I am wrong, I wouldn't go trying it to see.

Cal · #3 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by broadway@Jun 9 2004, 08:34 PM
Quite a twist you put on this doctrine, eh? Well...you wouldn't be the first to twist the words of our God and prophets...

If you kill a human being before he reaches that age (for that reason), you are trying to put yourself above God by doing something that he forbides...taking free agency away. Satan was cast down out of heaven for this.

Humans were put on earth to go through trials and be tested and prove themselves. By killing a human being, you are cutting his journey short and disallowing him to progress any further on earth. This is a serious sin and is punished very seriously, as you acknowledged. This would not be considered a selfless act or a sacrifice, but as an abomination and blaspheme.

Even if I am wrong, I wouldn't go trying it to see.

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Do you have children? What would you do if you KNEW that one or more of them would not make it to the celestial kingdom? Odds are they won't right? But what if you could guarantee they they do? Wouldn't you be giving them the greatest gift of all? Would you sacrifice yourself, to save your kids?

broadway · #4 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 10:47 PM

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Quite a twist you put on this doctrine, eh? Well...you wouldn't be the first to twist the words of our God and prophets...

If you kill a human being before he reaches that age (for that reason), you are trying to put yourself above God by doing something that he forbides...taking free agency away. Satan was cast down out of heaven for this.

Humans were put on earth to go through trials and be tested and prove themselves. By killing a human being, you are cutting his journey short and disallowing him to progress any further on earth. This is a serious sin and is punished very seriously, as you acknowledged. This would not be considered a selfless act or a sacrifice, but as an abomination and blaspheme.

Even if I am wrong, I wouldn't go trying it to see.*

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Do you have children? What would you do if you KNEW that one or more of them would not make it to the celestial kingdom? Odds are they won't right? But what if you could guarantee they they do? Wouldn't you be giving them the greatest gift of all? Would you sacrifice yourself, to save your kids?

I do have two children. My first loyalty goes to Heavenly Father. This can be difficult at times. My second loyalty is to my husband...again, this can be difficult. Then to my children.

This is the way things ought to be, according to scriptures.

I can understand your point of view and ,as a parent, can appreciate it. However, you loose them the opportunity to progress further if you take their earthly life away before the age of accountability. How fair would it be to your child if he was going to get married, endure to the end, etc and make it to the very top, but you decided that he wasn't good enough to actually accomplish all that.

How dare any person take these kinds of things into their own hands? If you were Heavenly Father, what would you think of a person who did such a thing?

#5 (**permalink**) 06-09-2004, 11:10 PM

cal,

do you sit up nights thinking up these questions? No...I wouldn't because they have to be given a fair chance to choose the right, no matter what the out come may be and to kill someone would take away your opportunity to make it to the C.K.

just my thoughts
Laureltree

Lindy · #6 (**permalink**) 06-10-2004, 02:08 AM

Cal,
You are scaring me....with that kind of thinking

Where on earth did you come up with something like that?

#7 (**permalink**) 06-10-2004, 06:38 AM

Ya know, that thought entered into my mind once upon a time.

But ya know what? It's not fair to your children to kill them and take away their free agency.
This also robs them of having an eternal family with you. YOU won't make it to the top.
Therefore, you are effectively out of their eternal lives.
When you die, you take whatever knowledge you have with you. That's all.
If you kill a child, they have very little knowledge in comparison to many others.
How fair is that?
They would lose you in the eternities and to top it all off, there will be things they will never be able to learn because they were robbed of this life.

I often wonder if this is the kind of justification people use when getting abortions.
Along with, it's cruel to let them live in such a terrible world.

Whatever. *shakes head*

ps, I am a mother.

shanstress70 · #8 (**permalink**) 06-10-2004, 07:18 AM

I can't even believe this conversation is taking place!

Jenda · #9 (**permalink**) 06-10-2004, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by shanstress70@Jun 10 2004, 05:18 AM
I can't even believe this conversation is taking place!

I second that thought.

Tr2 · #10 (**permalink**) 06-10-2004, 10:02 AM

This is a very interesting topic. A little off the wall, but interesting because of the nature of the theology.

If you were to kill your children at a young age, I do believe they would go to heaven. Without a doubt. I think you would be screwed because Jesus spoke very harshly against those who would do wrong to children.

If you knew your kid wouldn't make it to heaven. Well now we're talking about YOU. You kill your kid, and he/she goes to heaven, but what about you. Did you harm your kids? yep. Did you do what was best for them? Nope. We are supposed to love our children. In a way we have forced them to go to heaven, whether they would have wanted to or not. God has never forced a person into heaven, which is why He gives man a choice in the matter. I once heard somebody say that God loves us so much that He will never force His will onto them.

That would not be the best thing for your children because you have robbed them of living on earth, as they were meant to. and you have robbed them of their choice in the matter. You would have forced them to do what you wanted without considering whether or not they even want to go to heaven. If my son ever tells me "Dad, I don't want to go to heaven", that will be the hardest thing I could ever imagine. But I would hope i could respect that decision, because God respected mine for so many years.

It is not our job to make sure other people go to heaven. It is our job to make sure they know how to get there.