Becoming Gods? Is this true?

Malachi7 · #1 (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 10:38 PM

Hi:

I read on a website that it's a Mormon belief that you can become Gods and Goddesses.

And that you will have children after you die.

And that your children will later become Gods too...if they take on physical bodies.

Are they making that up about LDS beliefs?

Flyonthewall · #2 (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 10:52 PM

The short answer is yes. What does this scripture tell you?
Romans 8
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Malachi7 · #3 (**permalink**) 03-07-2008, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyonthewall

The short answer is yes. What does this scripture tell you?
Romans 8
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

I'll be honest with you. I don't think anyone would get that meaning from that verse. {edit: I don't think anyone would get the LDS meaning from that verse alone without superimposing a preconceived idea upon the text.}

I've been a Christian for a great many years and I've never heard any pastor nor Christian theologian teach such things as Christian doctrine.

May I ask you to tell me the long story?

skalenfehl · #4 (**permalink**) 03-08-2008, 12:00 AM

Psalms 82:6
John 10:34

As you can see, especially in the book of John, if you read chapter 10, the Jews were about to stone Christ for claiming Deity (v. 30). He rebuked them by quoting the law, saying they themselves were gods. The Jews were hard hearted and unbelieving and could not accept what He told them. They couldn't see the forest for the trees.

All mankind are children of God and therefore heirs to His kingdom. For this reason we are exhorted to become perfect, even as our Father in Heaven is perfect.

Matthew 5:48

crytsprospect · #5 (**permalink**) 03-08-2008, 12:04 AM

I am going to tell you the simple Terry version

disclaimer-- this is how I see it
This is not the churches stand on it but Terry's as she sees it as a member of the church

WE lived in heaven with God , we wanted to become more like him. We chose to come to this earth to learn and grow and hopefully come back to our heavenly father and be like him (god) . That is simplistic I know but I am sure you will get the long , technical version also. I know I am here on this earth to make right choices , learn , grow and to find my way back I have to choose without remembering the choices I made before I came here. I have the free agency to choose good or evil. I can choose which church to go to. This church is so much more than this one concept I would suggest you start from the beginning. Things you learn sometimes out of context don't make sense without knowing the whole picture. mormon.org could help.

peace and enlightenment---Terry

Malachi7 · #6 (**permalink**) 03-08-2008, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skalenfehl

Psalms 82:6
John 10:34

As you can see, especially in the book of John, if you read chapter 10, the Jews were about to stone Christ for claiming Deity (v. 30). He rebuked them by quoting the law, saying they themselves were gods. The Jews were hard hearted and unbelieving and could not accept what He told them. They couldn't see the forest for the trees.

All mankind are children of God and therefore heirs to His kingdom. For this reason we are exhorted to become perfect, even as our Father in Heaven is perfect.

Matthew 5:48

Psalm 82 speaks of human judges. Not deified men. The judges died like men, after all.

Does "becoming perfect" mean achieving the ability to have children after we die and that those children will go on to become Gods?

I've never heard that from any Christian teacher.

As I read Matt 5 I see that the text is about love, not about becoming eligible to become a God.

Do you also believe in the LDS idea that you'll have children after you die and that they'll become Gods too?

I also read that Mormons believe that God is a man of flesh and bone and that he became "exalted" and that Mormons think they're following that same path.

I hope you'll forgive me for saying that Christians won't accept this line of thinking as representative of Christian theology. (But what am I thinking? You're probably plenty aware of that.)

skalenfehl · #7 (**permalink**) 03-08-2008, 12:08 AM

I understand where you're coming from. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. Therefore the further teachings and revelations that we receive are from modern day revelation, as was the case in the Bible. Every generation had a modern day prophet until all was lost after Christ resurrected and the apostles were killed off.

Malachi7 · #8 (**permalink**) 03-08-2008, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crytsprospect

I am going to tell you the simple Terry version

disclaimer-- this is how I see it
This is not the churches stand on it but Terry's as she sees it as a member of the church

WE lived in heaven with God , we wanted to become more like him. We chose to come to this earth to learn and grow and hopefully come back to our heavenly father and be like him (god) . That is simplistic I know but I am sure you will get the long , technical version also. I know I am here on this earth to make right choices , learn , grow and to find my way back I have to choose without remembering the choices I made before I came here. I have the free agency to choose good or evil. I can choose which church to go to. This church is so much more than this one concept I would suggest you start from the beginning. Things you learn sometimes out of context don't make sense without knowing the whole picture. mormon.org could help.

peace and enlightenment---Terry

Could you point me to a place on Mormon.org that will explain more about this Mormon concept?

skalenfehl · #9 (**permalink**) 03-08-2008, 12:14 AM

Yes, but those judges were children of God as were the Jews who wanted to stone Christ. Those Jews were not judges but as all mankind were called gods by Christ. As I said before, we have a prophet today as the people did in the Bible, led by revelation.

Christian teachers rely on the bible as far as it is translated correctly to teach the gospel of Christ whereas we rely on a living prophet who receives revelation concerning the Lord's people and all of man in today's world.

Flyonthewall · #10 (**permalink**) 03-08-2008, 12:26 AM

Well to start with, we believe we are all literal spirit children of our Father in Heaven, and as literal spirit children, we can become like our Father.
We grew, and progressed in knowledge as far as we could, and then there came a point where we needed more experience than we can get as spirits, to progress further.
A great council in heaven was assembled to present plans on how to allow us to proceed.

This will have to be in installments since I keep logging out for some reason....