Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

[Over43]

I just received Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. I'll watch it this evening and let you all no what it's like tomorrow.

Take Care,

O43

[Dr T]

I want to watch that movie actually to hear his arguments

[Over43]

Originally Posted by Dr T

I want to watch that movie actually to hear his arguments

It's Ben Stein, and if you're familiar with him and his sense of humor, then in a way, that permeates the movie. He spends a lot of time tracking down scientists who have been banned from academia in their mere mentioning ID at times. Richard Dawkins gives an ad naseum descritpion of how people who believe in ID, and religion, are stupid. (His words, not mine...) And, that anyone who is intelligent would never believe in such myths. (Apparently he never met Carl Eyring or James Talmage.)

It seems the biggest "threat" to evolution, that has been presented in the movie so far, I'm not quite done, is molecular and celullar biology. He interviewed several cellular biologists who believe Darwin's theory does not mesh wll with what they are learning about the cell, and the complexity of the cell. Some cellular biologists believe the chance of a cell being created "by accident" is a trillion, trillion, trillion. One doc called it "casino biology" if you believe in Darwin due to the odds.

The one question that none of the "intelligent" people haven't answered yet is, "How did life begin?"

Anyway, it's interesting. As someone who has read Origin of Species, and liked it, I'm not sure it will sway me one way or the other, but some of his guests have presented some good insite.

Anyway, take care.

O43

[rayhale]

I watched the movie I really liked it. It makes you question why does scientists still take Darwin’s words gospel when we have found out so much about life, like DNA, and according to the movie, we have found out a tremendous amount more about cells, I have to wonder how Darwin would think, if he lived today.

[Kyra]

That sounds interesting, I'll have to look for it. I would be interested to hear what they have to say.

[prisonchaplain]

I just watched it about a week ago. Of course it's propaganda...but very effective and persuasive. Two particularly interesting aspects--Planned Parenthood was founded on the principle of Eugenics...wipe out a large segment of minority and poor babies. Also, the link between Darwinism and that deplorable science is too strong to ignore.

The other interesting clip was the National Science Foundation representative being asked about the Smithsonian scientist who was railroaded out, and all she can think of is, "You Intelligent Design folk sure are getting a lot of mileage out of that!" Nevermind that a man's career was sabatoged, because Darwinism isn't about the individual, is it? Eugenics may be descredited as a scientific system, but the remnants of group-think and survival of the fittest remain. Excellent movie.

[Over43]

Originally Posted by prisonchaplain

I just watched it about a week ago. Of course it's propaganda...but very effective and persuasive. Two particularly interesting aspects--Planned Parenthood was founded on the principle of Eugenics...wipe out a large segment of minority and poor babies. Also, the link between Darwinism and that deplorable science is too strong to ignore.

The other interesting clip was the National Science Foundation representative being asked about the Smithsonian scientist who was railroaded out, and all she can think of is, "You Intelligent Design folk sure are getting a lot of mileage out of that!" Nevermind that a man's career was sabatoged, because Darwinism isn't about the individual, is it? Eugenics may be descredited as a scientific system, but the remnants of group-think and survival of the fittest remain. Excellent movie.

In Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion" Dawkins continually discusses the issues of religion and suffering, and that religion has caused many wars and suffering thourghout the last several thousand years. To which most of us would agree. However, he offers science as an answer to the suffering of mankind.

Apparently he either refuses to recognize, or is historically ignorant of science's role in many attrocities over the last several hundred years: eugenics of course is one, practiced by National Socialists in Germnay. But the Soviets, Japanese, Maoists, and yes even Western democracies have used scientific notions to experiment on their populations causing quite a bit of harm and grief.

So, Dawkins does share some realities of religion, but refuses to be honest about science.

O43

[prisonchaplain]

Over, I'd suggest that Dawkins is wrong about religion. It is not the inspiration or guiding force for wars and evil in the world. Rather, wicked men use religion to their own ends. Faith itself is nuetral. It can be used for great good or ill. (I'm not saying God is nuetral, but rather 'religion').

It is perhaps true that Christianity has been manipulated for evil over the centuries. However, in less than 100 years, humanism (or atheism, if you will) was misused to kill tens of millions in Maoist China and Stalinist Russia--not to mention the death of one-third of Cambodia's population in the killing fields of anti-religious fervor.

[a-train]

My memory of schooling on the subject of biology began in about 3rd Grade when our teacher explained that it was once believed that burning a bail of hay produces lizards, snakes, mice, and other small animals as it appeared evident by their running out of the flaming mass. She outlined the superior understanding that later prevailed as science demonstrated that these organisms were only reproduced by the natural means: the propagation of the species. Even in my youth I doubted the likelihood that man ever believed the notion of snake birth by fire.

It was my great shock that only a few short years later the same educational system would attempt to tell me that the origin of all life was theorized to be in some event similar to the striking of lightning or some other natural spark that set off the first organic life from once non-living material.

I was also told of the folly of man in once believing in all sorts of myths that gave way to higher knowledge such as the four elements of earth, water, wind, and fire. To me, it made sense that man had made such estimations.

It would seem that with all the schooling man has advanced over all these years science is still trying to vindicate the old birth by fire story and it now tends to hide the fact that it once disbelieved in the four phases of matter as it teaches solid, liquid, gas, and plasma.

-a-train

[Over43]

For those who watched "Expelled" I found the most telling flaw of the evolutionists was when Stein had that discussion with the Darwinist who looked like he needed a bath. Stein asked him, "Tell me how life started?" Dr. Needs a bar of soap answers, "On the back of crystals." Stein replies, "Yes, thank you, but how did life start?" Dr. NABOS answers, "I told you, on the back of crystals." Ben Stein asks a third time: Yes, but how did life start? "I have told you, on the back of crystals."

In all of its shortcomings, the dialogue between the two was actually quite funny as I watched it.

O43