i fail to see the humor

[pam]

Originally Posted by miztrniceguy

While I agree that that some of the pictures are offensive in the manner they are posted, why not delete the picture rather than close the entire thread?

That's fair. I will bring that up in our moderator forum.

[richlittell]

Originally Posted by pam

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I have to agree with gwen. Any kind of jokes that portray or insinuate that the butt of a joke is about a certain race, culture, ethnic background will not be tolerated. Whether LDS or not. Whether "politically correct" or not.

I agree, only ask that we be careful. In the particular example stated, in the context it was given when I first saw the picture I saw three women "fully clad" and nothing else, because that was the context in which it was posted, and while some might twist that to say it was a slam on another religion, I think that would be a long stretch. It was certainly not "the butt of a joke." I have a temple recommend, pray, and read my scriptures everyday, do my best so that I can stand blameless before the Lord, and obviously, I'm not perfect, but I thought that in this case it was funny, and apparently others did too, only because of the context of the clothing topic, there was NO mention whatsoever about religion concerning that image.

So while I agree, I still say be careful about what and how you censor things. Nevertheless, I would indeed support your right to censor anything you desire.

[pam]

Totally understand your point and can appreciate it. Thank you.

[Gwen]

i had written a long post here and then my computer messed up and i lost it............so here's the short version.

i didn't call attention to any particular person or thread for a reason........ no need to worry about a rogue mod. those that know me know i'm reasonable. no need to worry about not being able to make jokes and have fun.

my opinion isn't based on political correctness. i've not made any judgments about anyone here, only a particular style of humor i find offensive. i'm fine with only deleting the pic and not close the thread...........i didn't object to the other pics due to the fact that they were in traditional clothes for the time they existed, that isn't the same as religious clothing.

i have been to a site where a peson made jokes about granny panties and had a pic of a man and a woman in nothing but their garments........the ultimate in granny panties i guess in their opinion......i found their mockry very offensive........how is showing these women and making comments about the "untimate in modesty" any different? should they not get the same dignity we afford ourselves?

[Wingnut]

Before you read the rest of this, let me state that I fully agree with Gwen on this point, but that I also agree it would be more moderate to delete picture itself rather than close the entire thread.

That being said up front...

I'm no expert on Islam, Afghanistan, or anything related to them. However, isn't the female "outfit" something that is imposed by the Taliban? Doesn't it have less to do with religion than it does with repression?

Just playing a little Devil's Advocate...please don't crucify me for it.

[Elphaba]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

I'm no expert on Islam, Afghanistan, or anything related to them. However, isn't the female "outfit" something that is imposed by the Taliban? Doesn't it have less to do with religion than it does with repression?

Just playing a little Devil's Advocate...please don't crucify me for it.

It's an excellent question.

This is from Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa
Many Muslims believe that the Islamic holy book, the Qur'an, and the collected traditions of the life of Muhammed, or hadith, require both men and women to dress and behave modestly in public. However, this requirement, called hijab, has been interpreted in many different ways by Islamic scholars (ulema) and Muslim communities (see Women and Islam); the burqa is not specifically mentioned in the Quran.

The page goes on to explain how the Taliban, now resurging in Afghanistan, forces all women to wear the chadri, which you can see on the Wiki pages.

The Taliban are deadly to its women. If they see a woman with some makeup on, they will very likely kill her. If they see a woman without a man chaperoning her, they WILL kill her.

Elphaba

[Gwen]

i have never said that i agree with the custom of this religious clothing, i personally don't like it and believe it to be about oppression more than anything...........that being said it doesn't matter what i think....

it is a religious issue (even though their country is such that religion is imposed through the law and that religion is oppressive to women; it's still about religion)..................

of course all of this is my opinion ....

and all of this could be said about lds......what if we had an lds president, could he inforce through law that we all wear chothing to the garment standard even if not a member? how opressive is it to have to wear such underclothes and not be able to do what you want with YOUR body? the argument can and in some forums has gone on.....

come on, it's not about agreeing with what they do, it's about having respect and dignity for their personal choices. and if these women are not wearing it out of choice but rather to avoid being "punished"; then they deserve dignity all the more.

[Wingnut]

Fair enough, Gwen. I won't argue with that.

Thanks Elphaba for looking it up...I was just too lazy to do that myself early this morning.

[jazzy225]

Originally Posted by Gwen

i have an issue and i've not discussed this "announcement" with the other mods so if they believe i'm in the wrong feel free to delete this.

no one's religion (right or wrong in our opinions) should be used as the butt of someone's joke. i know if it were lds standards being used in this way everyone would report the post. yet we have 3 that have been posted recently and not a single report post has been filed on any of them.

it's not humor, it's poor taste.

I posted this about a month ago, only had a couple of people reply, either it was ignored, or people just looked the other way.

Since you will ask for proof, my wife and I were there on August 7th, 11:45am, in the room (very large room) directly north of the Cougareat eating area (Main restaurant area, north of Taco Bell about 20 feet).



This happened to me Recently. Relating to how lds always say, "we present our testimonies with love". While at BYU about two months ago, with my wife. We walked around the corner and came across about 300 white shirts in a study class. Up on the screen was a picture of a baptist church, with a reader board in front, which said this "Church services have been canceled due to loss of pastor to mormon missionaries" which the teacher was mocking/joking, the group of young men were having a good laugh about.

What about the hurt from the families and friends of this pastor which left their beliefs. This is the same hurt mormons express when they have a loss of someone to another belief, they will condemn their own lost-members, even exclude from family/church functions. Honestly, I don't think this is something to joke about, where was the love in that conversion?

[Loudmouth_Mormon]

Originally Posted by jazzy225

What about the hurt from the families and friends of this pastor which left their beliefs.

Hey jazzy - was this the sign?



See, it's not a real sign - it's a generated image from ChurchSignGenerator.com . Nobody was mocking any pastor. No real church ever had that on their sign. No families or friends were ever hurt.

LM