Poor Lost Souls

[Soulsearcher]

[Soulsearcher]: only thing that matters
[MoroniKnight]: hahaha.. a lot of my closest
friends at the moment are mormon
[Soulsearcher]: until you win, everyone else is a
liability
[Soulsearcher]: doesn't matter
[MoroniKnight]: you are noticable not mormon...
[Soulsearcher]: i raised 5 mormon kids, i didn't
respect the church or any of their faith, but
loved em to death, still thought they were loons
til i saw i was part of the problem
[MoroniKnight]: and thus harder to find the will
to fight with
[MoroniKnight]: how did you get admin
[MoroniKnight]: does your wife run this?
[Soulsearcher]: nope
[Soulsearcher]: i proved myself
[MoroniKnight]: by defending mormon beliefs?
[Soulsearcher]: i defend the people as long as
they follow the rules and i'll defend either side
as long as it's kept fair
[MoroniKnight]: didnt have much to say about
how my threads got closed everytime i
stumped em\\
[Soulsearcher]: wasn't stumping them
[Soulsearcher]: you brought nothing new
[Soulsearcher]: you think honestly you said one
thing the other few hundred didn't?
[MoroniKnight]: yes
[Soulsearcher]: nope
[MoroniKnight]: did you read all of my threads?
Even the deleted ones?
[Soulsearcher]: yup
[Soulsearcher]: enjoyed the adoption ones
[Soulsearcher]: and honestly agree with you
[Soulsearcher]: but it was handled wrong
[Soulsearcher]: and max has a point
[MoroniKnight]: You notice how every time i
stump max.. he just starts saying i dont make
sense
[Soulsearcher]: civil union while i agree with
them could turn into people from your side
pushing to get religion to bow down
[MoroniKnight]: that is a very irritating
sidestep.. and you know he does it
[MoroniKnight]: Im an antitheist.. i predict the
doom of all faith in the next 100 years
[Soulsearcher]: naw
[MoroniKnight]: Evidence phases it out
[Soulsearcher]: i'm not sure what i am, but faith
has never died, just changed
[MoroniKnight]: well its bedtime.
[MoroniKnight]: Ill will be on many many more
times my friend
[Soulsearcher]: have fun
[Soulsearcher]: don't come back
[MoroniKnight]:
[Soulsearcher]: show the respect you want
[Soulsearcher]: right now you're proving a point
to them, and doing more harm to yourself than
good
[MoroniKnight]: LoL.. I hold my ground at my
main accuont being unbanned
[MoroniKnight]: I didnt deserve that..
[Soulsearcher]: they expect you to be trouble,
they've said your side can't act right
[MoroniKnight]: I just took advantage of a fools
gullability to prove a point
[Soulsearcher]: you feed the bias
[Soulsearcher]: at which point are you going to
step out of type and follow your words?
[Soulsearcher]: you don't practice what you
preach so you'll never win
[MoroniKnight]: I did for so long soul
[MoroniKnight]: For so so long
[Soulsearcher]: naw
[MoroniKnight]: I tried to be civil
[MoroniKnight]: The things people said to me i
brushed off
[Soulsearcher]: it was obvious from day 1
[MoroniKnight]: for so very long
[MoroniKnight]: i didnt start here
[Soulsearcher]: but you gave in to anger
[Soulsearcher]: gave into your bias and feelings
[MoroniKnight]: I started on mormon.org>lds
chat.com>here
[Soulsearcher]: exactly what you hate them for
[Soulsearcher]: bothsides are the same in a lot
of ways, it's sad neither will see it or fix it, so it
keeps going
[MoroniKnight]: They refuse to be reasoned
with.. they allow faith to blind them to suffering
and facts..
[Soulsearcher]: their choice
[Soulsearcher]: you refuse to accept that faith
is who they are
[MoroniKnight]: And you are right about one
thing.. there is a dark part of me that wants
them to resort to violence... they are so
unreasonable i just want to end the debate....
but it's not really what i want
[Soulsearcher]: but it's your aim here
[Soulsearcher]: you will egg them on, and
cause pain and torrment
[Soulsearcher]: you will encite hate
[MoroniKnight]: You honestly think max running
around telling people im part of an international
conspiracy is going to hurt my cause? or better
it?
[Soulsearcher]: but it won't be true cause you
bred it yourself to prove a point that's tainted
[Soulsearcher]: here, it's going to hurt it, they
will see it as playing to your role and they will
sheltter themselves more
[MoroniKnight]: No the true lesson comes from
the fact that when i told him it was fake..
[MoroniKnight]: he kepts saying it
[Soulsearcher]: and he'd trust that because?
[Soulsearcher]: you've proven you'll lie
[Soulsearcher]: so why not take what he wants
to as truth cause you've proven you can't be
trusted
[MoroniKnight]: so he picks crazy international
conspracy and runs with it?
[MoroniKnight]: lol.. bedtime.. gnite..
[Soulsearcher]: when it's not the first time it's
been said, yup
[MoroniKnight]: se yuo many many many many
many more times.. still have 998 ip addresses
this month
[Soulsearcher]: it's fine
[Soulsearcher]: just proves the point i need
[Soulsearcher]: you'll do in your own cause and
i can't stop you


Some know her as QueenAnti, some know her as Antibodee, or MoroniKnight or who knows how many other names she has on this site.

Now while some people may be upset about some of my comments about the church or people of faith, those who know me know it suits me and does not reflect past my beliefs over all.

I feel very sorry for this person, and possibly her whole group if this is the mindset they hold. So lost in the bitterness of the battle that the end goal has been lost. What was once about freedom and equality is now nothing more than win or die trying. They have become the "monster" they fight against.

I once read a quote that's stuck with me "You can only look at the monster in the water before it becomes your reflection" If you fight, if you go so deep and loose who and what you really are, you've become part of the problem and the battle is lost.

The passion of the statements and even some of the well thought out discussions weren't so bad, at times i felt that she was bringing out the "monster" in some of us, but in the end the passion turned into lust for the win and the battle was over.

She's a missionary of sorts, seeking to convert people to the truth she knows. Yet it's the motivation that differs. She's not trying to save a soul or give to take from the load of others, she wants to be right and will tear down all around her til either she wins or others feel the pain she feels.

I feel sorry that she's missed the point. I feel sorry she'll never get it and that words of love and hope fall upon such deaf ears. She'll be around for a long time, she's here for the long fight that's she's already lost. So just remember when you engage her, have pitty on her and remember the fights already over, so are you fighting a battle just to inflict more wounds or are you truely furthering your cause.

We are close to becoming her in some ways, watch and hold the line.

[Palerider]

Thanks for sharing that Soulie......

[prospectmom]

what aread puts some of these threads in better perspective with all the battles for what???

[Maxel]

Since we're posting private conversations with QueenAnti, thought I'd post the conversation with her that set me so against her. That way everyone will know my claims aren't groundless. She is either a liar or a hypocrite. Sorry to say it in such blunt terms, but that's the case.

And, for the record, she never 'stumped' me- she refused to discuss the issues I brought up. I have copies of all our discussions should anyone care to peruse them- however, most of it was done on the forums. There was one PM I sent her in an attempt to get her to be honest without publicly deriding her, but she dismissed it.

I do appreciate your honesty in posting this, Soulsearcher.

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[Maxel]: If you don't mind me asking; what do you hope to accomplish at
LDS.net?
[QueenAnti]: What I already am.
[Maxel]: Causing contentino?
[Maxel]: contention*
[QueenAnti]: Look beyond you shutters, and you will see I actually have a bit of
a following...
[Maxel]: lol... you know nothing about me. I do not live behind shutters.
[QueenAnti]: People who disagree, and find this decision bigoted.. and dont
want to see their church pay for it for 200 years like they had to with the racism
stuff
[QueenAnti]: You presume to believe im not accomplishing anything..
[QueenAnti]: I am.. I actually got fanmail on my myspace from that thread ...
[Maxel]: Yeah. nothing of any real import.
[QueenAnti]: If I only convinced 1 in all my time of doing it
[QueenAnti]: it would be worth it...
[QueenAnti]: Im convinced 40+ at this point
[Maxel]: Ah, I see.
[QueenAnti]: Futility is not a question here
[QueenAnti]: Ive convinced.. rather
[Maxel]: Really?
[QueenAnti]: Not all on this site
[QueenAnti]: between this, ldschat, and mormon.org
[Maxel]: I find that hard to believe, as your means of communicating seriously
lacks any logical cogency. Anyone you've convinced is easily duped.
[QueenAnti]: I converted 2 missionaries there
[Maxel]: lol, right
[QueenAnti]: LoL.. theyre with mds now
[Maxel]: You mean, full-time missionaries?
[QueenAnti]: go figure...
[QueenAnti]: Internet missionaries
[QueenAnti]: byu students
[Maxel]: Ah, I see.
[QueenAnti]: and the english lds college
[QueenAnti]: not sure what thats called
[QueenAnti]: Thats me personally... No even including what MDS has...
[QueenAnti]: I lost track of them lol
[Maxel]: So, you're here to convert others to your belief?
[QueenAnti]: Not to my religion
[QueenAnti]: To my one sole belief.. that this is not the right thing to do
[QueenAnti]: Hell, MDS has a special branch called the LDG
[QueenAnti]: They are all mormons...
[QueenAnti]: Mormon Disillusionment Society/ Latter Day Guard
[Maxel]: Do you want us to stop being Mormons?
[Maxel]: I should say, LDS.
[QueenAnti]: I started MDS, and theres a priest running ldg
[QueenAnti]: No...
[Maxel]: Peopel call themselves mormon when they're not members of the LDS
church.
[QueenAnti]: I like the church of jc of lds
[QueenAnti]: They are members maxel
[QueenAnti]: They are just afraid to speak out... They explained the 'voting'
system to me lol
[Maxel]: I can't disbelieve you. I have only your word, which is based on their
word.
[Maxel]: 'Voting'?
[QueenAnti]: where if you object.. you just get an interview and a stern tlaking to
[Maxel]: lol, cultural Mormons.
[Maxel]: Mormons by name only, not by conversion.
[QueenAnti]: Some of them..
[Maxel]: So that's where you get your information.
[QueenAnti]: Some of them never miss a sunday
[QueenAnti]: My information comes from an english priest He runs the LDG
and has been my biggest ally and supporter
[Maxel]: You should know that almost all your information is wrong.
[QueenAnti]: I have katie on the inter net missionaries convincing people to not
support banning next time
[QueenAnti]: LoL... maxel.. what is wrong? Please give me an example
[QueenAnti]: Katie works for Mormon.org... shes my favorite lol
[QueenAnti]: She brags to me daily about how many people shes talked out of it
[QueenAnti]: shes a doll lol
[Maxel]: Your misunderstanding of the definition of 'canonization', President
Monson's 'Revelation', a consummate misunderstanding of the LDS view of
homosexuality...
[QueenAnti]: Theres rumor a stake president may be joining us too
[Maxel]: Did you read teh information I posted about the official LDS stance on
homosexualith? The one that sparked your thread?
[QueenAnti]: Maxel, yes i started to.. and realized I already rad it..
[QueenAnti]: Ive been working mormon.org for a year..
[QueenAnti]: How much do you think I have yet to read?
[QueenAnti]: Ive read the BOM, POGP, and All of the doctrines..
[Maxel]: Then why did you claim the LDS church recommended straight
marriage as as cure for homosexual marriage? That idea was talked about and
dismissed in the article as untrue.
[QueenAnti]: which is mroe than i can say for most mormons lol
[QueenAnti]: That, I could not claim without citing the ex ex gays.. which is an
'anti mormon' group .. but just people who have been through their programs
[Maxel]: Do you ever stop to think your information might be a ltitle
misunderstood or infactual if it all comes from one side?
[QueenAnti]: i pick apart everything i read
[Maxel]: ... Which explains why you constantly use illogical arguments and
misrepresent what we actualy believe.
[QueenAnti]: You keep using that broad sword, but not saying anything specific
[Maxel]: My post to you got specific.
[QueenAnti]: I answered everything i could remember.. I had a lot of comments
coming at once
[Maxel]: Excuse me, my PM
[QueenAnti]: Im working against the timer ... all gay threads get closed in 5
hours tops
[Maxel]: So you decide that using bad arguments is the best way to go?
[Maxel]: And by '
[Maxel]: 'bad', I mean 'illogical'
[QueenAnti]: I get plenty of responses telling me quite the opposite
[Maxel]: lol
[Maxel]: That's an appeal to popularity- a logical fallacy. All those people could
be wrong. You ahve to analyze what you say, not just people's reactions.
[QueenAnti]: I'm hearing that about you... You speak entirely too vague my
friend.
[Maxel]: Well, by your own words, 'people tell me quite the opposite' too.
[QueenAnti]: I guess it's a perspective thing..
[QueenAnti]: I'm getting a bunch of mormons on my side.. how many atheists
backing you?
[QueenAnti]: or gays?
[Maxel]: No, it's a factual thing.
[Maxel]: None that I know of.
[QueenAnti]: hmm
[Maxel]: Non-sequitor appeal to popularity.
[Maxel]: I don't set out to convert the world.
[QueenAnti]: The world doesn't have you on a leash
[Maxel]: I think I have what I need. Thank you for your time.

I closed the chat window and she resumed conversation with this.

[QueenAnti]: lol....if it's any consolation.. I truly do love the Mormon Faith
[QueenAnti]: I hope to lead it someday
[Maxel]: Ooh, that's a good one.
[QueenAnti]: lol.. conversion joke..
[Maxel]: You'll never lead the Mormon Faith- at least not the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints.
[QueenAnti]: Yea I know.. women cant be leaders
[Maxel]: Nor can practicing homosexuals.
[QueenAnti]: I wouldnt have to tell would i?
[Maxel]: God would know. He leads this church, and His plans will not be
stopped by anyone. I ahve a testimony of this.
[Maxel]: Jesus Christ is real and living.
[QueenAnti]: See we are not like black people... if we are excluded...we can
still sneak in... Mds has over 28 gay agents working their way to priesthood as
we speak...
[Maxel]: I am through speaking to you.

[LittleWyvern]

OMG, secret underground organization!!

Originally Posted by Soulsearcher

[MoroniKnight]: se yuo many many many many many more times.. still have 998 ip addresses this month

I think we'll need this soon then:

[Just_A_Guy]

Guys, with all due respect, it seems a little unfair to a) publish on a public forum what was (presumably) heretofore a private conversation, and b) open up a thread specifically about a person (however obnoxious) who is no longer able to defend herself.

[Maxel]

Understandable. However, she'll be back. She already has been, with 2 other screen names. She also posted a link to a disgusting anatomical picture under false pretenses. She claims to have played the game of multi-accounts on other forums and chat sites, too.

I wanted the facts about what made me take my strong stance known, so that people don't think I create witch hunts out of thin air. This is partly to save my own reputation within the community, as I was unabashedly the most vocal in decrying her.

[prospectmom]

Sounds like a conversation with Satan himself..... kinda scary when you think about it

[Palerider]

Originally Posted by Just_A_Guy

Guys, with all due respect, it seems a little unfair to a) publish on a public forum what was (presumably) heretofore a private conversation, and b) open up a thread specifically about a person (however obnoxious) who is no longer able to defend herself.

I view itlike this.....when there is a scam in the area....the news tries to give out information so others are not scammed. This person was trying to scam others and a few people are trying to make others aware of whats going on.

This thread probally will not be open very long....

[Maxel]

Actually, I suggest this thread be closed now- I've said all I had; and unless Soulsearcher has something else to say I don't see the point in keeping it open.