one God - Page 3

BenRaines · #21 (**permalink**) 09-25-2008, 05:00 PM

No offense taken here.

Ben Raines

mnn727 · #22 (**permalink**) 09-25-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by prisonchaplain

As for the Trinity, the LDS distinctive is important--is the Godhead a single essential being made up of three persons, or is it really a 3-god pantheon, with a singular purpose? This is more than semantics, and the two views cannot be reconciled.

But it is all semanticsl
Is the Father God?
Is Jesus God?
Is the Holy Spirit God?
Does that make 1 God or 3 Gods -- its all 100% semantics (and 100% irrelivant IMHO)
God does not fit into a nice little package that mankind can put on a shelf with a lable describing it.

Hemidakota · #23 (**permalink**) 09-25-2008, 05:18 PM

There were one in purpose to carrying out the Plan of Salvation but if one would view them today, they are three distinct beings.

shadowhunter · #24 (**permalink**) 09-25-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mnn727

But is is all semanticsl
Is the Father God?
Is Jesus God?
Is the Holy Spirit God?
Does that make 1 God or 3 Gods -- its all 100% semantics (and 100% irrelivant IMHO)

Thats my view i mean if the trinity is "3 persons in one nature" then its pluarl the very definition of the trinity says it

Hemidakota · #25 (**permalink**) 09-25-2008, 05:26 PM

In answering it in another meaning, the distinct personality of these three individual Gods, united however into one Godhead or Divine Council, was made apparent at the baptism of Jesus; for as He, God the Son, came up out of the water from His baptism at the hands of John, a manifestation of the presence of the Holy Ghost was given in the sign of the dove which rested upon Jesus, while out of the glory of heaven the voice of God the Father was heard saying, 'This,' referring to Jesus, 'is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.' The distinctness of the personality of each member of the Godhead is also shown by the commandment to baptize those who believe in the Gospel equally in the name of each person of the Holy Trinity. "These three Personages constitute the Christian Godhead, the Holy Trinity. In early Christian theology they were regarded as the Supreme Governing and Creating Power in heaven and in earth. Of which Trinity the Father was worshipped in the name of the Son, while the Holy Ghost bore record of both the Father and the Son. And though the Holy Trinity was made up of three distinct persons, yet did they constitute but one Godhead, or Supreme Governing Power. That woudl be the case.

Now, the Apostolic Fathers lived before the rise of the two principal Anti-Trinitarian theories and attempted no speculative construction of the doctrine of the trinity. They merely repeat the Biblical phraseology, without endeavoring to collect and combine the data of revelation into a systematic form. They invariably speak of Christ as divine; and make no distinction in their modes of thought and expression, between the deity of the Son and that of the Father. These immediate pupils of the Apostles enter into no speculative investigation of the doctrine of the Logos, and content themselves with the simplest and most common expressions respecting the trinity. In these expressions, however, the germs of the future so-called scientific statement may be discovered; and it is the remark of Meier, one of the fairest of those who have written the history of Trinitarianism, that the beings of an immanent trinity can be seen in the writings of the practical and totally unspeculative Apostolic Fathers. Reference Shedd, Vol. I, 261-265

PassionForHisWord · #26 (**permalink**) 09-25-2008, 07:14 PM

How can they be three different "Gods" under one "Divine Council" if God made this statement in Isaiah 44:6 & 8?

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6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God...
8Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Scripture clearly states there there is only one God. If there is only one God, and scripture declares that the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, (note: not "a" God) then we are forced to conclude that They are all one God existing in three centers of consciousness.

Islander · #27 (**permalink**) 09-25-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PassionForHisWord

How can they be three different "Gods" under one "Divine Council" if God made this statement in Isaiah 44:6 & 8?

Scripture clearly states there there is only one God. If there is only one God, and scripture declares that the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, (note: not "a" God) then we are forced to conclude that They are all one God existing in three centers of consciousness.

True, and I suggested before somewhere, that we have serious linguistic constrains to express the trinity. Now, there should be no questions that they are 3 distinct and separate entities. At the baptism of the Savior in the Jordan river it is unquestionably the best place to appreciate it. Note that in Hebrew the word "God" translated from Adonai (Isa 44:6) also means masculine plural "Master or Lord." The translators tried to preserve the play-on words and the poetry the best they could, and managed to plunge most of Christianity into an endless theological debate. The Hebrews never had such problems, noticed?

Maureen · #28 (**permalink**) 09-25-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mnn727

But is is all semanticsl
Is the Father God?
Is Jesus God?
Is the Holy Spirit God?
Does that make 1 God or 3 Gods -- its all 100% semantics (and 100% irrelivant IMHO)
God does not fit into a nice little package that mankind can put on a shelf with a lable describing it.

But there is a difference between believing that the being(s) that you worship is one singular being or multiple beings. Those differences are called monotheism and polytheism.

M.

raulrosalez22 · #29 (**permalink**) 09-26-2008, 12:34 AM

wow this is getting intense =)
good reading though =P

mnn727 · #30 (**permalink**) 09-26-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Maureen

But there is a difference between believing that the being(s) that you worship is one singular being or multiple beings. Those differences are called monotheism and polytheism.

M.

But my question is (and I seriously mean no disrespect) "Who cares?"

If God came down to you and said "M, I want you to know you were wrong about me, I am really all 3 the same person"
OR
If God came down to you and said "M, I want you to know you were wrong about us, we really are 3 seperate Gods making up one Godhead"
OR
If God came down to you and said "M, I want you to know you were wrong about us, we really are 3 seperate beings making up one God('God' being an office not a person).

Would it really matter? Are there really any possible ramifications? If it were truly important to your salvation don't you think it would have been made clear?

Its all semantics people, and IMHO is not that important in the scheme of things. Many people (not saying you personally)are so concerned about things like this and then they don't do what Christ taught us about living and dealing with others.