mormon prophet and catholic pope

[jimuk]

Originally Posted by ceeboo

Hello changed,

Looks like you might need a 5 hour lunch with ceeboo

Your posts strike me as rather ignorant, not to mention completly off topic

At any rate, if you would like to be educated on these matters we can have lunch

God bless,
Carl

Hi Carl, what part has Changed got wrong, i dont know a lot about Catholic church, but i do hope its the part about Little Babies.

[abqfriend]

I am a Catholic-and your post is not in keeping with the current understanding of the Catholic Church. It is OK to disagree with me and my faith tradition--but please show respect.
Catholics have the Mass/worship service in the language of the people for the last 40 years. Our services are not in Latin. In the US-they are in English and other languages of the people-like Spanish.
Catholics do not believe that babies not baptized go to hell.
-just two points-that you give which are not up to date or factual
-Please consider taking a course or update in current Catholic doctrines and teachings before you post about them--I would be happy to give you several links.
-If you disagree----fine, but do not slam another faith tradition than your own.

-just not cool!

Thank you
Carol

Originally Posted by changed

It comes down to the apostasy – was the apostasy total and complete? Or not?


I have Catholics in my family, they are good people, but the church? To write scriptures in and talk in Latin specifically to keep people from understanding what is being said, to try and take away any personal relationship with G-d by saying you have to go through the church for everything.... infant baptism - that little babies go to hell unless they are baptized...There is just something so wrong with that... again, love the people, just not the church.

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[changed]

sorry, did not mean to get anyone up in a dander. Have the beliefs of Catholics changed sense the dark ages? If so, why would a church change what they believe?

Originally Posted by abqfriend

I am a Catholic-and your post is not in keeping with the current understanding of the Catholic Church. It is OK to disagree with me and my faith tradition--but please show respect.
Catholics have the Mass/worship service in the language of the people for the last 40 years.

And before then?
Perhaps you should read about William Tyndale...
William Tyndale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He was killed by the Catholic church for translating the Bible into a language that commoners could read... Why would any church not want it’s members to read the Bible?

Catholics do not believe that babies not baptized go to hell.

sorry, but why are they baptized at all then? If you don’t think the baptism saves them why do it?

OK - I really don't want to get into any bashing stuff Really, Mother T - great lady. I love Saint Frantis, etc... great beautiful people...

[Misshalfway]

I think the Pope must be one of the most influential religious leaders. From what I can tell, the recent Popes (I am familiar with the last two) have done much good in the world. And I know that our two churches have stood in support of each other on key moral issues.

I believe that the prophet or President of the church (as we call the senior Apostle of the twelve today) has the priesthood authority that Peter and the other apostles had which makes him more than a prophet. He is a prophet, a seer, and a revelator.

When my Catholic friends say that the Pope has the authority of Peter, I used to think that they viewed the Pope in the same light. I thought that he was viewed as some version of an Apostle. After a few conversations on this board, I think I understand differently. That the pope is not a prophet and not an Apostle. But he does retain the authority from Peter and is considered the Father over the whole church. And while he may not be a seer or a revelator, he is inspired and led by God.

Is this understanding correct? I hope I am getting it right. Which brings me to my next Catholic question: if Peter was an Apostle, why isn't the Pope if he has the same authority?

And as always, simply trying to understand how my Catholic friends see this issue. I am afraid I do see it thru Mormon eyes as was my upbringing.

[changed]

OK – I will say something nice. At least the Catholics believe the priesthood, authority from G-d is needed. It seems like most other denoms don’t recognize the need for priesthood or for any kind of authority beyond some human given degree. The point that G-d is the head of the church, not man, and that authority from G-d is needed to guide the church is very important. Also love that they are pro-lifers, support traditional marriage etc... again, great people.

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by shadowhunter

So i am wondering what are the differences and simlirates between the prophets and the popes

Both the LDS and the Catholic churches claim institutional authority from God in providing the saving ordinances (sacraments) of the Gospel to their believers/members.

Both churches promote spiritual growth and active service to their fellow man amongst their membership.

Both churches provide a tangible focus and context for personal faith for its membership.

Thus, both churches have the capacity to serve as an adequate exoteric 'feeder' church that leads its membership to the esoteric Church of the Firstborn.

If the Pope commits adultery, the Catholics will grieve and hope for the day when that Pope behaves more appropriately. If the LDS Prophet commits adultery, he will be excommunicated from the Church, and the President of the Quorum of the Twelve will take his place.


HiJolly

[abqfriend]

Hi from Carol-

Yes, our two faith traditions have much in common and much good both can do for a hurting world.
Thankyou for your message:

I am not here to debate --just give you the current understanding of the Catholic Faith.
On the Catholic Faith-I suggest you first read and try to understand the basics of our faith by reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Here is a searchable link:
English Translation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church with Search Utility
A link on the current understanding of Baptism of Infants can be found at:
CNS STORY: Theologians: Unbaptized babies in heaven makes more sense than limbo
-enjoy your study.
-Carol

Originally Posted by changed

OK – I will say something nice. At least the Catholics believe the priesthood, authority from G-d is needed. It seems like most other denoms don’t recognize the need for priesthood or for any kind of authority beyond some human given degree. The point that G-d is the head of the church, not man, and that authority from G-d is needed to guide the church is very important. Also love that they are pro-lifers, support traditional marriage etc... again, great people.

[abqfriend]

You must be a prophet-correct? You know what will happen to the Pope in a given future circumstance--wonderful!
You know more than I do.
-Carol

Originally Posted by HiJolly

Both the LDS and the Catholic churches claim institutional authority from God in providing the saving ordinances (sacraments) of the Gospel to their believers/members.


If the Pope commits adultery, the Catholics will grieve and hope for the day when that Pope behaves more appropriately. If the LDS Prophet commits adultery, he will be excommunicated from the Church, and the President of the Quorum of the Twelve will take his place.


HiJolly

[jimuk]

Originally Posted by abqfriend

Hi from Carol-

Yes, our two faith traditions have much in common and much good both can do for a hurting world.
Thankyou for your message:

I am not here to debate --just give you the current understanding of the Catholic Faith.
On the Catholic Faith-I suggest you first read and try to understand the basics of our faith by reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Here is a searchable link:
English Translation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church with Search Utility
A link on the current understanding of Baptism of Infants can be found at:
CNS STORY: Theologians: Unbaptized babies in heaven makes more sense than limbo
-enjoy your study.
-Carol

Thank you for the Links Carol.

Originally Posted by HiJolly

If the Pope commits adultery, the Catholics will grieve and hope for the day when that Pope behaves more appropriately. If the LDS Prophet commits adultery, he will be excommunicated from the Church, and the President of the Quorum of the Twelve will take his place.


HiJolly

Hi Hijolly,

Was Joseph Smith excommunicated?? HUH I didn't know that.
You have an excommunicated prophet who will judge you at the end????

God bless,
Carl