mormon prophet and catholic pope

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by ceeboo

Hello again HiJolly,

Agree about what, an open canon or JS was not excommunicated ?

Peace,
THE CEEBOO

Neither --- I meant about the "good reason" Joseph was not excommunicated.


HiJolly

Originally Posted by HiJolly

Perhaps ceeboo is alluding to the accusations of various people, both in and out of the Church, that Joseph was guilty of adultery. If he had been guilty of it, he would have been excommunicated, per the rules in the Church. The Lord said as much by revelation through Joseph in the Doctrine and Covenants (!).

Some don't regard Joseph's revelations and teachings concering polygamy and polyandry as valid, which would likely lead to this sort of view. I on the other hand feel that I understand (mostly) Joseph's teachings, views and intent on this and thus I support his actions and teachings as not being adulterous.

Some fascinating history is involved, here. Unfortunately the evidences are not perfect nor conclusive in all this, so we will probably have to wait for the next life to get the whole story. Some folks are not willing to be patient. I have to admit I'd rather know now rather than later, myself. (sigh)


HiJolly

HIJOLLY, MY dear friend

I am indeed impressed, To think I am in another State and we are on the same page.

I would certainly agree with you, my friend, that the history is fascinating and it is unfortunate that we have limitations to make absolute conclusions. I just wished you used the same discretion for ALL historical human events

Lastly, I would also rather know now of these many interesting things, BUT, like all of us, I imagine we will just have to wait.

God bless,
Carl

Originally Posted by HiJolly

Neither --- I meant about the "good reason" Joseph was not excommunicated.


HiJolly

OHHH,

YES, a very respectfull, warm, kind, YES I do not agree

[jimuk]

Originally Posted by ceeboo

Hi jimuk,

I see Carol gave you a link as to the Catholic teaching of unbaptized infants, I will just add that the following is a teaching as well: With respect to children who have died without baptism, the liturgy of the Church tells us to trust Gods mercy. In addition, it also teaches that ALL those, without knowing, who act with the inspiration of God, seek God in sincerity and strive to fullfill his will, are saved.

I have never heard the mass in Latin ( although I would like to ) It is offered in Latin " special masses and such.

Latin is the very ancient language ALL the saints spoke and is considered by many Catholics as revered, sacred, respectfull, traditional. This ancient language ( now extinct )
is the very language our brothers and sisters in Christ spoke in the Early Church days.
SO, these reasons ( and many more ) are why I thought the previous post was nothing short of disrespectfull, bias, and certainly unChristian.

God bless,
Carl

Hi Carl thanks for the reply.
We as members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints do "know" for a surety that babies do indeed return to our father in heaven, heavenly father is our "yours and mine" father in the true meaning of "father" Rest assured as a loving father he would want them in the comfort of his arms as soon as they were taken from this mortal world, this is such a lovely comforting thing to know. there is no room for speculation on this, if in any doubt on this then i am sorry, the doubter can not know the love of Heavenly father.
If "anyone" professes to know the father and then says they dont know what happens to our little ones is denying our father and will be held accountable for thinking such a thing.

When i say anyone i do mean anyone, Prophet, pope, anyone, from most high to the lowest creature that creeps or crawls on this earth.

I say to you all heavenly father wants us all home, all of us.

[prisonchaplain]

Originally Posted by bytor2112

Pope and Prophet and Evangelical Preacher were in a boat fishing in the middle of a lake. Pope Says, " I gotta go to the bathroom", so he jumps out of the boat and walks across the lake to the bathroom and then comes back. Mormon Prophet says, " I gotta go too", so he jumps out of the boat and walks across the water and goes to the bathroom and then walks back. A few minutes later the Evangelical preacher says, " I gotta go too", so he jumps out of the boat and and immediately starts floundering around. The Pope looks at the Prophet and says, " Should we tell him about the rocks?", the Prophet replies, " what rocks?"

Prisonchaplain = Evangelical Preacher & he no get it.

[abqfriend]

Hi,
Interesting post-I am glad that you know. The teachings of the Catholic Church and LDS are different-we can agree to that--but why such bashing of another's understanding of their faith.
To deny that I know the Love of my Heavenly Father-is not for you to judge.
Just because I do not know what happens to infants in a 100% way does not mean that I or my Church denies The Father.

Differences of history/theology-sure-but why bash another faith?
-This thread almost started with a fun joke-and degenerated to Catholic Bashing-in my opinion.
It started positive-and went negative.
-I realize I am in the minority here-but is my voice worth anything?
See where the thread first went astray---and see my point.
-Let's show some tolerance please.
-Carol

Originally Posted by jimuk

Hi Carl thanks for the reply.
We as members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints do "know" for a surety that babies do indeed return to our father in heaven, heavenly father is our "yours and mine" father in the true meaning of "father" Rest assured as a loving father he would want them in the comfort of his arms as soon as they were taken from this mortal world, this is such a lovely comforting thing to know. there is no room for speculation on this, if in any doubt on this then i am sorry, the doubter can not know the love of Heavenly father.
If "anyone" professes to know the father and then says they dont know what happens to our little ones is denying our father and will be held accountable for thinking such a thing.
When i say anyone i do mean anyone, Prophet, pope, anyone, from most high to the lowest creature that creeps or crawls on this earth.

I say to you all heavenly father wants us all home, all of us.

[mnn727]

I find it funny (strange) that many Churches are coming to an understanding of the Gospel. Its undeniable that in the past, the RCC taught that unbaptised children that died went to either Limbo or Hell, as did most Protestant Churches, but I know of no Church today that still teaches this. The same goes for people who, through no fault of their own never hear of Jesus Christ, in the past Churches doomed them to Hell, today most Churches say they leave it in the hands of God (where it should have always been IMHO) The last 50 years or so there has been a great shift in religious beliefs and teachings about not only this, but many other things also. I wonder if the reason is that the members understanding at some basic level that God is not a cruel, uncaring God? Or if Churches that preach nothing but hellfire and damnation have lost many of their members as the older generation dies off.

Originally Posted by jimuk

Hi Carl thanks for the reply.
We as members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints do "know" for a surety that babies do indeed return to our father in heaven, heavenly father is our "yours and mine" father in the true meaning of "father" Rest assured as a loving father he would want them in the comfort of his arms as soon as they were taken from this mortal world, this is such a lovely comforting thing to know. there is no room for speculation on this, if in any doubt on this then i am sorry, the doubter can not know the love of Heavenly father.
If "anyone" professes to know the father and then says they dont know what happens to our little ones is denying our father and will be held accountable for thinking such a thing.

When i say anyone i do mean anyone, Prophet, pope, anyone, from most high to the lowest creature that creeps or crawls on this earth.

I say to you all heavenly father wants us all home, all of us.

Hi Jimuk,

I do so appreciate your sharing as well as the obvious kind manner that you do it.
I will do my best to return this.

I also believe ( and the Catholic Church supports in many ways ) that these babies " have a special place with the Lord ". I am personaly conviced as much. I will simply say again that the Church has NO OFFICIAL teaching on it. IMHO, and only my opinion, is that there have in deed been some Catholic leaders in the past that were rather contradictory to this ( to be fair concerning a 2000 year history on the subject ).

Although I appreciate and respect your LDS perspective on this ( AND TO BE CLEAR, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH WHERE THESE BABIES END UP ) I do not accept the " heavenly father" as you do. This goes completly off topic but, in my eyes, it has everything to do with our ( LDS/Catholic ) insights to the very nature of God, who God is, and what we can know of him.

I do appreciate your contributions and YES, I think we can agree that these ( babies ) are in a much better place than you or I at the present time.

In closing, YES, I AGREE, I DO NOT KNOW THE LDS " HEAVENLY FATHER"

God bless,
Carl

[bytor2112]

Originally Posted by prisonchaplain

Prisonchaplain = Evangelical Preacher & he no get it.

hmm....how about a Jewish Rabi...or a Muslim Cleric...or a Budhist monk... just insert what you fell comfortable with....

PC...I thought you were Pentacostal or Assembly of God..no?

[prisonchaplain]

Originally Posted by bytor2112

hmm....how about a Jewish Rabi...or a Muslim Cleric...or a Budhist monk... just insert what you fell comfortable with....

PC...I thought you were Pentacostal or Assembly of God..no?

LOL...I'm just messing with you...I've heard the joke told in many versions, and it's still relatively cute. Assemblies of God = Pentecostal, but it is also the largest denomination in the National Association of Evangelicals. (hint: pentecostals are evangelicals, but not all evangelicals are pentecostal)