Black LDS?

[Just_A_Guy]

Originally Posted by beefche

Tenderizing meat?

Worried, Beefche?

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Joseph Smith was giving the priesthood to the linage of Cain but after further revelation put a stop to it [Book of Moses].

I'm not sure we can make that claim. The Book of Moses was translated in 1831. Abraham was published for the first time in 1842, but Smith had been working on it since about 1836. Abel was ordained in 1836 and re-ordained in 1841.

[Aesa]

Originally Posted by Palerider

what in that web site makes you feel that Brigham was unaware of it.....

Because it seems like a deviation of what Joseph set forth beforehand.

[Palerider]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Because it seems like a deviation of what Joseph set forth beforehand.

sorry...but I don't see it.....

[Hemidakota]

Originally Posted by Just_A_Guy

Worried, Beefche?

I'm not sure we can make that claim. The Book of Moses was translated in 1831. Abraham was published for the first time in 1842, but Smith had been working on it since about 1836. Abel was ordained in 1836 and re-ordained in 1841.

Portions of the JST were published before the martyrdom of the Prophet, 12 although the entire translation was not made available until 1867, when the RLDS Church printed the first edition of the JST. Some of the New Translation was available through the Evening and Morning Star in Independence, Missouri (1832-33). In the Lectures on Faith, a collection of seven theological lectures delivered by the Prophet to the School of the Prophets in Kirtland (1834-35), Joseph quoted a number of scriptural passages according to the New Translation. The Lectures on Faith was contained in the first edition (1835) of the Doctrine and Covenants. In addition, what is now known as Joseph Smith-Matthew (the JST of Matthew 24) was published sometime between 1832 and 1837, while the visions of Moses (Moses 1) was published in the Times and Seasons in 1843. Joseph Smith Translation: The Restoration of Plain and Precious Things, by Monte S. Nyman, Robert L. Millet

[Just_A_Guy]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Portions of the JST were published before the martyrdom of the Prophet, 12 although the entire translation was not made available until 1867, when the RLDS Church printed the first edition of the JST. Some of the New Translation was available through the Evening and Morning Star in Independence, Missouri (1832-33). In the Lectures on Faith, a collection of seven theological lectures delivered by the Prophet to the School of the Prophets in Kirtland (1834-35), Joseph quoted a number of scriptural passages according to the New Translation. The Lectures on Faith was contained in the first edition (1835) of the Doctrine and Covenants. In addition, what is now known as Joseph Smith-Matthew (the JST of Matthew 24) was published sometime between 1832 and 1837, while the visions of Moses (Moses 1) was published in the Times and Seasons in 1843. Joseph Smith Translation: The Restoration of Plain and Precious Things, by Monte S. Nyman, Robert L. Millet

Does a revelation become binding on the recipient as of the date it is received? Or only on the date that the recipient gets around to publishing it?

[the Ogre]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Well, I hope you're not saying I'm bringing up this topic to 'incite' something. Because that certainly is not the case. If it was, I'd be straight up about it.

I do.

I think the issue is a non-starter unless you wanted to start a fight. BTW: I'm listening to "Desperation Samba" by Jimmy Buffet . . . maybe I'll do his temple work as well.

[Palerider]

Originally Posted by Aesa

Well, I hope you're not saying I'm bringing up this topic to 'incite' something. Because that certainly is not the case. If it was, I'd be straight up about it.

from reading all of your posts thats exactly what i think you are trying to do....

[Aesa]

Well, if you want to conclude that then that's fine.
I think you would also know (from my other posts) that I don't keep anything back when I'm giving a point of view on something.

This topic, was nothing more than curiosity. However if it's going to turn into a game of finger pointing because you assume you know the disposition I'm coming from then we'll just not bother.

Period.

I'm honestly really offended by this accusation, because, my intention really was just one of interest. I was genuinely surprised that Joseph ordained colored people into the priesthood, and even moreso that the practice discontinued for a period proceeding from Brigham. I ofcourse was aware that colored people only once again were able to take the priesthood after the 1978 revelation, but initially that was my only understanding.

You should never assume simply based on what you expect of a person.

[Apostate]

Can't speak for others, but works for me!

[Dale]

Originally Posted by Hemidakota

Joseph Smith was giving the priesthood to the linage of Cain but after further revelation put a stop to it [Book of Moses].

I think myself nothing in the Book of Moses need be viewed as the final authority on Black's holding priesthood. I myself just think the LDS leaders had so supported the pro-hibition of the ordination of black's they had no testimony they could extricate themselves from the policy. As i understand it for twenty-five years the issue was under debate and it took those years to prepare a leadership and people to prepare themselves for the 1979 lifting of the policy. The only reason the policy wasn't lifted many years earlier was that the LDS people's hearts were not prepared earlier for the change. The people's heart's were hard, so i think God could have left the church open to public criticism as it would help them repent of their stubborness for the old way's.